# Brian Miller: Co-option and Irreducible Complexity

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/brian-miller-co-option-and-irreducible-complexity/3626>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
**Tags:** Design\
**Created:** [December 21, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/brian-miller-co-option-and-irreducible-complexity/3626 "2018-12-21T06:09:07Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/brian-miller-co-option-and-irreducible-complexity/3626/454 "2019-02-20T03:40:03Z")

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> [@Greg](#):
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> Are you interested to see what Kurt Wise has to say?

Yes, but not enough to watch an hour-long video. Your idea of what’s compelling is not all that impressive.

> [@Greg](#):
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> can convergent evolution really explain marsupial populations and placental populations that both have similar kinds in both but just differing reproductive organs?

No, that would be difficult to explain. However, it isn’t true unless you stretch “similar”. They differ in a host of ways in addition to reproductive organs. A marsupial “wolf” doesn’t actually look that much like a wolf, and the details are all different.

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> how is it that the fossil record is supposed to only consist of a small percentage of species yet 99% of ones current types are represented?

Because the record gets worse as sediments get older. More of them have been lost to erosion or metamorphosis. That has a name in the literature: the pull of the recent. Did you know that about 50% of all dinosaur genera (not just species) are known from only a single specimen? How does that fit with your notions of completeness?

> [@Greg](#):
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> mechanisms and strategies God used to speciate the planet

If you’re interested in correct terminology, whatever you did there is not what “speciate” means. Speciate: to evolve reproductive isolation between populations.

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> to keep us on a relational and dependent level with Him

Sounds like he’s insecure in his divinity. No wonder he’s a jealous God.

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