# Change is Coming

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015>\
**Category:** Conversation\
**Created:** [May 2, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015 "2019-05-02T18:44:09Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![dga471](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dga471/32/5233_2.png) [@dga471](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/dga471)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/21 "2019-05-06T17:00:50Z")

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My suggestion (also taking into account @pevaquark’s): even if Conversations are moved off the front page, they should still be just 1 click away.

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/22 "2019-05-06T17:01:52Z")

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They will be available on the dropdown, one click away.

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**Author:** ![gbrooks9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/gbrooks9/32/7979_2.png) [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/23 "2019-05-06T19:30:45Z")

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> [@swamidass](#):
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> I’d like to try this change out for a few days. Does anyone object?

@Swamidass,

Are you still “up in the air” about having a schematic that shows people how all these pieces connect together ?

Does the Discourse vendor have a generic one already? All we would have to do is fine tune it to reflect the unique category names you have set up…

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/24 "2019-05-06T19:31:14Z")

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I have no idea what you mean by a schematic.

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**Author:** ![gbrooks9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/gbrooks9/32/7979_2.png) [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/25 "2019-05-06T19:39:16Z")

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@swamidass,

It would look something like this…

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/peacefulscience/original/2X/2/2e7607ec59b70f1b1387932e3e0a425bb6af79a6.png)

Of course, I don’t actually understand our current layout, so I can only put up empty boxes, with an appearance of sensible organization…

Perhaps a better term would be “flowchart” … everybody loves a good flowchart!

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**Author:** ![AlanFox](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/alanfox/32/3495_2.png) [@AlanFox](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/AlanFox)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/26 "2019-05-08T07:14:24Z")

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Just a point from an occasional lurker and infrequent commenter. I find the discourse format unhelpful in finding active threads and topics of interest (admittedly purely\* religious topics don’t interest me). There doesn’t seem a way to find “hot topics” or sort recent from otherwise. Am I missing something that’s available?

\*History of religion, comparative and cultural aspects, archeological investigation, analysis of text and language - everything except testaments of faith or their converse - do interest me.

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/27 "2019-05-08T07:17:55Z")

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> [@AlanFox](#):
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> Just a point from an occasional lurker and infrequent commenter. I find the discourse format unhelpful in finding active threads and topics of interest (admittedly purely\* religious topics don’t interest me).

Yes you are missing something. Look at the buttons, for example, for “top” ([Peaceful Science](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/top/weekly)). You can also mute the theology tag in your settings.

Look at the menu bar on front page ([https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/)), and play around with that to see how to find good topics.

Make sense?

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**Author:** ![AlanFox](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/alanfox/32/3495_2.png) [@AlanFox](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/AlanFox)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/28 "2019-05-08T07:26:36Z")

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Wow, Joshua! Don’t you sleep at all? 🙂  
Yes, that’s helpful. Thanks.

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**Author:** ![Jordan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/jordan/32/756_2.png) [@Jordan](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Jordan)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/29 "2019-05-08T13:10:33Z")

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> [@AlanFox](#):
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> Wow, Joshua! Don’t you sleep at all?

@swamidass is an advanced social AI developed by the real Joshua Swamidass. You are now a part of an advanced [Stanford Prison Experiment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment) simulation. 😉

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/30 "2019-05-12T16:13:00Z")

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Change is here. #conversation category is off the front page. How does everyone feel about this?

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**Author:** ![gbrooks9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/gbrooks9/32/7979_2.png) [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/31 "2019-05-12T17:28:09Z")

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> [@swamidass](#):
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> Change is here. #Conversation category is off the front page. How does everyone feel about this?

@swamidass

I dont even know what that means.

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**Author:** ![Timothy\_Horton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/timothy_horton/32/9410_2.png) [@Timothy\_Horton](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Timothy_Horton)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/32 "2019-05-12T17:29:04Z")

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> [@swamidass](#):
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> Change is here. #Conversation category is off the front page. How does everyone feel about this?

Bad idea since the Conversation topic has orders of magnitude more replies / more interest than any other category.

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/33 "2019-05-12T17:41:53Z")

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We can see how it goes. It might change back. They are still search visible and also visible with one click from home page.

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**Author:** ![nwrickert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/nwrickert/32/810_2.png) [@nwrickert](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/nwrickert)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/34 "2019-05-12T19:53:47Z")

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Thus far, the main effects that I see are:

- The front page shows less;

- I need to click “Unread” to get to the interesting stuff.

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/35 "2019-05-12T20:36:36Z")

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Is that a problem? It kinda cleans up our public presence on the front page, which is its main goal.

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**Author:** ![nwrickert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/nwrickert/32/810_2.png) [@nwrickert](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/nwrickert)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/36 "2019-05-12T21:17:07Z")

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It’s not a problem for me, because by now I know my way around.

I do wonder whether the front page is now too clean. Thinking back to when I first joined the site, if I had seen the cleaned up front page, maybe I would have decided that there wasn’t enough interesting discussion going on, for it to be worth joining.

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**Author:** ![Jordan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/jordan/32/756_2.png) [@Jordan](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Jordan)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/37 "2019-05-12T21:32:41Z")

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> [@nwrickert](#):
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> I do wonder whether the front page is now too clean.

I was thinking that the point was to “clean” the front page a little so that more interesting stuff (scholars, featured conversations, Office Hours, etc.) could be developed and not get lost. @swamidass may give more insight, but I was getting the impression was this was the first part of a multi-part plan for the forum.

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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/38 "2019-05-12T21:34:22Z")

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@nwrickert We may need to add “directions” at some point ot the forum to point people to more conversations. Not sure…

@Jordan that is right.

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**Author:** ![gbrooks9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/gbrooks9/32/7979_2.png) [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/39 "2019-05-12T23:58:05Z")

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> [@swamidass](#):
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> It kinda cleans up our public presence on the front page, which is its main goal.

@swamidass

The only thing that we would all agree that we are trying to do is:

**A) shield newcomers from conversations to or from Trust Level 0 participants.**

The other thing that I would hope most of us agree upon is to:

**B) shield newcomers from a dozen threads on “ID-can-be-proved-VERSUS-ID-can’t-be-proved”, and**

**C) shield newcomers from a dozen threads on “Evolution-doesn’t-need-to-be-Guided-VERSUS-Evolution-does-need-to-be-Guided.”**

If your changes aren’t accomplishing (A), (B), or (C), then you are probably causing more trouble than good with the change.

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**Author:** ![John\_Dalton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/john_dalton/32/1263_2.png) [@John\_Dalton](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/John_Dalton)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/change-is-coming/6015/40 "2019-05-13T02:16:17Z")

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It’s kind of weird for Conversation to have subcategories that appear in Latest (like Featured), because if I go to see what’s in Conversation, I’m double-seeing the stuff in the subcategories.

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