# Darwinism Falsified in Science Long Ago?

**URL:** https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/darwinism-falsified-in-science-long-ago/4325
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**Tags:** Communication, Science
**Created:** [February 7, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/darwinism-falsified-in-science-long-ago/4325 "2019-02-07T16:30:01Z")
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### Author: ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)
#### Post date: [February 8, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/darwinism-falsified-in-science-long-ago/4325/104 "2019-02-08T23:13:55Z")

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> [@anon63142984](#):
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> However, I fail to see that positive selection has been “falsified.”

It has been falsified as the ONLY important mechanism. Non-darwinian processes are needed too. That means this definition of evolution was falsified 50 years ago:

> [@Agauger](#):
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> > What does “Darwinism” mean?
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> People at DI have been pretty consistent about using neo-Darwinism, and it means random mutation and natural selection to them. That’s how Steve Meyer uses it consistently. I have tried to get people to add in genetic drift and recombination with limited success. I think epigenetics would now be included, but outside neo-Darwinism.

Which is why I am justified in asking why Behe is arguing against a theory falsified a long time ago by other people. We all agree that we need non-Darwinian evolution too, so at some point he has to engage with that to make a real argument against evolutionary science.

Read more here: [The Neutral Theory of Evolution](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-neutral-theory-of-evolution/599).

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