# ENV: Behe about Chloroquine Resistance

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/env-behe-about-chloroquine-resistance/4516>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
**Tags:** Science\
**Created:** [February 14, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/env-behe-about-chloroquine-resistance/4516 "2019-02-14T14:11:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![T\_aquaticus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/t_aquaticus/32/1249_2.png) [@T\_aquaticus](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/T_aquaticus)\
**Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/env-behe-about-chloroquine-resistance/4516/4 "2019-02-14T16:46:03Z")

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> [@Darwin Devolves: The End of Evolution?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/darwin-devolves-the-end-of-evolution/4270/42):
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> @nlents here is the next one:
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> [https://evolutionnews.org/2019/02/science-review-offers-false-accusations-about-chloroquine-resistance/](https://evolutionnews.org/2019/02/science-review-offers-false-accusations-about-chloroquine-resistance/)

It is interesting to see how wildly the goal posts are moving about the field. ENV seems to be ceding the point that evolutionary mechanisms can produce new beneficial function, but now they have a new criteria: extravagance.

> [@](#):
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> In his new book Behe doesn’t even enter the debate over whether sequential or simultaneous mutations are needed to build chloroquine resistance — i.e., whether “neither” mutation “is beneficial without the other.” His main point there is that EES mechanisms didn’t do anything helpful, and that what Darwinian mechanisms did build wasn’t anything extravagant.  
> [ibid.]

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