# Fact-Checking “Professor Dave” on “Darwinism” | Evolution News

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**Created:** [May 27, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/fact-checking-professor-dave-on-darwinism-evolution-news/15120 "2022-05-27T17:10:06Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/fact-checking-professor-dave-on-darwinism-evolution-news/15120/9 "2022-05-27T20:59:54Z")

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While on that topic Michael Behe [is on the record](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/creation-myths-a-chat-with-michael-behe-on-irreducible-complexity/13429/42) as saying he considers basically all of modern evolutionary theory to fall under the rubric of Darwinism. All of it.

> This is exactly what is said:  
> At about 13 minutes in Dan takes about one minute to list things he considers non-Darwinian mechanisms and causes of change. He mentions (among other things) neutral theory, exaptation, horizontal gene transfer, epigenetics, then says:
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> **Dan:** The reason I harp on this is I wanna make sure I have this crystal clear.  
> **Dan:** When we say a system has irreducible complexity - does it preclude evolution by all these mechanisms - just the ones from 1859 - just the ones from the 1940s…?  
> **Behe:** Well - I, I’m glad to say it precludes them by all those processes you just mentioned…  
> **Dan:** Okay.  
> **Behe:** …I just wanna say that, in my mind, I consider them all random changes, remember Darwin didn’t know about mutations or anything - he said random changes plus natural selection - and you got look at each of them carefully - I think neutral mutation fits happily into Darwinian evolution except that the mutation has a selection coefficient of 0 instead of a negative or a positive one - uh, so… so that doesn’t strike me as a big deal.  
> **Behe:** And gene duplication - meh that’s fine that’s _one_ event though. Ahh so, yeah - _any_ unguided processes.  
> **Dan:** Alright, any unguided pro…(?)  
> **Behe:** _Nods_  
> **Dan:** Okay, any unguided processes!  
> **Behe:** Right.

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