# Genealogical Abraham

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/genealogical-abraham/14519>\
**Category:** Conversation\
**Tags:** Theology\
**Created:** [December 1, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/genealogical-abraham/14519 "2021-12-01T14:54:40Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/genealogical-abraham/14519/25 "2021-12-06T09:55:30Z")

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> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> You are making assumptions. Israel doesn’t exist, Abraham doesn’t exist and now Israel was never in Israel. I guess the holocaust didn’t happen either. And If Mankind was around 60 or 100 million years, to suggest they did not use camels is naive.

That’s off by 60 to 100 million years. Homo sapiens have existed for about 300,000 years or 300 thousand years. Archaeologists Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University released a new study that dates the arrival of the domesticated camel in the eastern Mediterranean region to the 10th century B.C. That’s about 1000 years after the supposed time of Abraham, according archeologists best friend, the Bible.

> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> They were literally smelting tin and Gold… I guess its all a conspiracy to you. Funny you can still dig up the cites mentioned in the bible that Archeologists couldn’t find without the bibles help. Historically the bible is the Archeologists best friend.

What are the names of these cities? Name 'em and claim 'em. Where are Sodom, Cana, Gethsemane, Golgotha, Sychar? You should be more concerned about what cities archaeologists haven’t found.

> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> Here is a fun fact. Something Science still hasn’t admitted. The sediment layers in the grand canyon show that land was under water the same sediment is found on every continent. And all those sediments are ocean layers. so you push those down so they are under the water… Guess what. The whole world would be under water. Forget Noah, thats later. But Moses had writers record Genesis and it says the whole world was under the water in the beginning.

How would Moses know that the earth was covered with water? Where did all this water go? And how do you “know” Moses even existed. There’s no record of him anywhere but the Bible. When the earth was formed days only lasted bout 4 hours and the earth was spinning so fast that there were tidal waves about 10,000 feet high. This is recorded in the geological record. However there’s no evidence for the Noah flood in the geological record or anywhere else.

> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> Even Science doesn’t even grasp that yet, they think those layers have land animals in them. at least school children do… Land animals, not even Giraffes live in water.

Science is a method, not a body of data.

> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> Lets throw in a cool one. The Claim that Whales were first on land because they have a hip like bone and then went back into the ocean. Where in the fossil record in those layers is the whale and how interesting that the whale then and whale now are similar. So here we have a World history in stone, written in the bible before America even existed and their understanding of the geology of the world is ahead of todays Science.

That’s ridiculous. The people who wrote the Bible didn’t know that the continents of North America, South America, Australia, Antarctica even existed. They didn’t know germs existed, let alone that they caused diseases. So much for their “knowledge” of geology. The transition from land to water of the whale is well documented by a series of intermediate fossils, many of which are known from Pakistan and India. Whales, dolphins, and porpoises belong to the order of cetaceans which were aquatic mammals. Early cetaceans were amphibious, and their ancestors were terrestrial artiodactyls, similar to small deer. I’m pretty sure the ancients who wrote the Bible were unaware of all this. After all they believed the earth was flat with a dome over it. Many Christians today believe that as well, you know because the Bible tells them so.

> [@Geneological Geology](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/geneological-geology/14544/1):
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> The Point is God gave the writer of the bible knowledge about the whole world people today don’t have and its written in the first chapter of Genesis. The whole world was under water. The Bible is not so shabby after all.

Why would God give people knowledge 6000 years ago but not today? And how did God pass this knowledge to humans anyway? Why would God give knowledge to one desert tribe and not give it to anybody else? How come China was farther advanced than the Hebrews or Christians if the Bible has all this special knowledge? When Marco Polo visited China in 1271, he found a place far more technologically advanced than anywhere in Western Europe. The Chinese were 200 years ahead of the Christians in Europe. They had already invented the abacus, canals and locks, gunpowder and fireworks, kites, paper money, the spinning wheel, printing presses, roads and hotels, suspension bridges, porcelain, movable sails and rudders, the crossbow, the compass, stirrups, the umbrella, metal clocks, alcohol and on and on. Marco Polo and the Europeans had never seen or even dreamed of these things. Not only that the Chinese were centuries ahead of the Christians in astronomy, physics, chemistry, meteorology, seismology, technology, engineering and mathematics ALL of which trace their origins to China. I guess the Chinese were just smarter than the Christian God.

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