The Oxford definition agrees with the Biology definition i posted. Vestigial means having lost or been degraded from the original function. Some vestigial features have no identified function at all but that is not the definition.. Finding a secondary use of a vestigial feature doesn’t make the feature not vestigial.
Sorry if that’s too complicated a concept for you to understand.
Not mad, just find the hubris typical. Why weren’t the biologists preventing them? Seems as though there’s always plenty of blame to go around. Glad that the whole concept of “vestigial organs” was reevaluated. Of course, at the time, you would have been called an idiot by some for even questioning the idea.
We all know semantics shift over time. “Vestigial” certainly doesn’t invariably mean “with function,” either.
Um. I’m not complaining about the definition. (you don’t really understand much that I write it seems). Instead, I’m noting that this definition does not mean “without any function,” which would mean you were misusing it before.
Dale was mostly an observer, until I was accused of not understanding the definition. At which I pointed to the evidence that either others had misused it, historically, or that the definition had shifted over time. Seriously, people around here need to be SO LESS willing to dismiss each other as idiots.
Who in the world ever said it did??? Sorry you and Dale made yourselves look so foolish by not knowing a simple definition. As far as griping about vestigial organ removal, the large majority of people who have their appendix removed suffer zero harmful side effects. Only relatively recently did studies show the danger of removing a non-inflamed one was greater than leaving a healthy one in.
LOL! Dale is embarrassed he didn’t know the definition either so he cherry-picks one and ignores all the others
//2 Biology (of an organ or part of the body) degenerate, rudimentary, or atrophied, having become functionless in the course of evolution.
Of course being the honest sort Dale is he’ll ignore the definition from Biology Online
Vestigial Structures Definition
Vestigial structures are various cells, tissues, and organs in a body which no longer function in the same way the ancestral form of the trait functioned. A vestigial structure can arise due to a mutation in the genome. This mutation will cause a change in the proteins that are required for the formation of the structure. Although the structure no longer functions, the prevalence of the vestigial structure may increase in the population if it is advantageous. In cave-dwelling fish, for example, the development and upkeep of eyes are an unnecessary energetic expense when there is no light. Therefore, vestigial eyes may be selected for over function eyes.
Vestigial means having lost or been degraded from the original function. There’s nothing in evolution which prevents vestigial features from picking up later secondary functions.
Dale doesn’t realize having lost the original function doesn’t mean a vestigial feature can’t pick up another secondary function, like the vestigial whale hips still acting as muscle attachment points.
Why do Creationists think dishonest word twisting and equivocation over scientific definitions makes a valid argument? Willful ignorance + hubris?