# Jeffb asks for examples of beneficial mutations

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**Created:** [December 31, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/jeffb-asks-for-examples-of-beneficial-mutations/12909 "2020-12-31T18:19:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![jeffb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/jeffb/32/22795_2.png) [@jeffb](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/jeffb)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/jeffb-asks-for-examples-of-beneficial-mutations/12909/15 "2020-12-31T21:59:42Z")

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> [@Nathan H. Lents and S. Joshua Swamidass: The lesson of Kitzmiller: Science bridges divides](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/nathan-h-lents-and-s-joshua-swamidass-the-lesson-of-kitzmiller-science-bridges-divides/12896/18):
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> @swamidass gives an explanation at this point of the video below. He may be able to provide some further references.
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> [https://youtu.be/uM5p0MsVEvg?t=1518](https://youtu.be/uM5p0MsVEvg?t=1518)

That was an informative video. Thank you.

> [@Nathan H. Lents and S. Joshua Swamidass: The lesson of Kitzmiller: Science bridges divides](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/nathan-h-lents-and-s-joshua-swamidass-the-lesson-of-kitzmiller-science-bridges-divides/12896/18):
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> You’ll first have to specify what you mean by a “gain of function” mutation.

I pulled that phrase from the original quote here:

> [@Nathan H. Lents and S. Joshua Swamidass: The lesson of Kitzmiller: Science bridges divides](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/nathan-h-lents-and-s-joshua-swamidass-the-lesson-of-kitzmiller-science-bridges-divides/12896/7):
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> Some ID proponents argue that **“gain of function”** mutations and “irreducible complexity” cannot arise except thru design, which points to God. Those claims can be, and have been, refuted scientifically.

BTW, I anticipated that I might get that kind of response: “Define what you mean by…”. Which is why I said the follow:

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> Well I’m pretty open-minded about that, … But really, whatever each consider “best.” It’s possible everyone has their own favorites.

I’ll also take a moment to reiterate this:

> [@Nathan H. Lents and S. Joshua Swamidass: The lesson of Kitzmiller: Science bridges divides](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/nathan-h-lents-and-s-joshua-swamidass-the-lesson-of-kitzmiller-science-bridges-divides/12896/24):
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> I intentionally said that I was being open-minded about “best examples.” I get that that can be subjective. That’s why I said each person may have a different ‘favorite’.
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> I’m trying my best to make this a simple question. I’m just curious to see what kind of novel things mutations have accomplished. If you don’t personally have any of your own favorites, that’s fine, perhaps someone else does.

BTW, apologizes to @thoughtful, it looks like I hijacked a good conversation. Speaking of, am I able to move this conversation to another thread? If so how? (I’m still a little new here).

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