# Ken Keathley: Notes from Dabar and a Baptist's Hope

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**Created:** [July 1, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/ken-keathley-notes-from-dabar-and-a-baptists-hope/568 "2018-07-01T18:42:11Z")\
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**Author:** ![swamidass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/swamidass/32/3_2.png) [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/ken-keathley-notes-from-dabar-and-a-baptists-hope/568/63 "2018-07-20T04:09:10Z")

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> [@kkeathley](#):
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> It seems to me that if evolutionary creationists want to make EC more palatable,

> [@kkeathley](#):
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> So what might EC proponents do?

The one thing that needs clarification is that I personally am _not_ an Evolutionary Creation (EC) proponent. This gets to the heart of why I left BioLogos…

> I no longer am a _theistic evolutionist_. Since I first became public in my work, I have never been intent on evangelizing evolution. For this reason, I am not well defined as an “_evolutionist_.” My worldview does not rest on evolution; it rests on Jesus, the one who rose from the dead. I am not well defined as a “_theist_” either, because I see great evil in this world justified by generic (and specific) theism; and I follow Jesus, who is much greater than theism.  
> [The Confessing Scientist](http://peacefulscience.org/confessing-scientist/)

I am instead scientist in the Church and a Christian in science, giving an honest account of what I see. I am not an evolutionary creationist, because my worldview is elsewhere, and my advocacy is for [The Empty Chair](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-empty-chair/474). I’ll normally avoid putting comments on closed threads like this. In this case, though, I want to be clear where I stand with EC.

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