# Ken Miller: A Textbook Biologist at the Dover Trial

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**Category:** Peaceful Science
**Tags:** Science, Society, Design
**Created:** [November 10, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/ken-miller-a-textbook-biologist-at-the-dover-trial/12410 "2020-11-10T19:54:30Z")
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#### Post date: [November 11, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/ken-miller-a-textbook-biologist-at-the-dover-trial/12410/29 "2020-11-11T20:05:11Z")

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> [@Timothy\_Horton](#):
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> No one said a mousetrap had to move its parts on its own. That’s not germane to the topic. Do you understand a mousetrap is NOT irreducibly complex since parts can be removed and the remainder still retain a different function?

Yes, clearly Behe brought up the mousetrap example to explain the principle of irreducibly complexity through a complex arrangement of multiple parts, not to argue that Mousetrap parts had to be moved around by hand. The components of organisms don’t move around by hand, they self-assemble under genetic control.

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