# Kitzmiller, the Universe, and Everything

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/kitzmiller-the-universe-and-everything/9427>\
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**Created:** [February 4, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/kitzmiller-the-universe-and-everything/9427 "2020-02-04T01:27:40Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/kitzmiller-the-universe-and-everything/9427/97 "2020-02-07T17:02:19Z")

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> [@Puck\_Mendelssohn](#):
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> No, it doesn’t, because there is no reason to think that a cat needed design at all. There simply is no “designer” the existence of which can be empirically demonstrated which is capable of doing the job, so where is your mechanism?

You may be confusing the testing of the mechanism with the mechanism itself. The observation of the designers existence as necessary to disqualify design as a scientific claim is a flawed argument as this precedent does not exist in science.

We don’t directly observe electro magnetism or gravity we observe the effect of these mechanisms.

There are plenty of reasons to think a cat needed a designer as there are reasons to believe a watch needs a designer.

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