# My talk with Andrew Seidel about his book on America’s secular origins

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
**Tags:** Society, Article\
**Created:** [July 23, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014 "2019-07-23T21:21:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![Robert\_Byers1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/robert_byers1/32/5158_2.png) [@Robert\_Byers1](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Robert_Byers1)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/21 "2019-07-26T02:54:12Z")

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No. Thats not the motive. In hundreds of years there was no problem. this is from post wwII left wing enemies of Christianity in America. Everything they, and others, fight would of been laughed at by most of America since the revolution.  
they use great concept of where the state and church need not interfere with each other AND corrupt it into using the state to attack the natural religious conclusions and culture of america.  
Then they attack institutions , like schools, to directly reject religious conclusions and say they are false in subjects about true conclusions which bump into religious conclusions.  
In fact they would ban christmas if they could.  
The founders of america, very protestant peoples, never meant to have the separation of society and God/religion etc. they literally only meant the government. not everything the government pays for MEANS its also the government. like bridges and state parks and actual territory. in fact allowing churches on America soil would be endorsement of the state for religion. Army chaplins too.  
they are being the bad guys in the storuy and making a wrong idea that other nations, who have serious religious problems, will reject.

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/22 "2019-07-26T02:54:45Z")

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It is religion that is inherently divisive. Religion is always about exclusion and division. Us versus them mentality.

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**Author:** ![DaleCutler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dalecutler/32/746_2.png) [@DaleCutler](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/DaleCutler)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/23 "2019-07-26T02:58:34Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> It is religion that inherently divisive.

Then atheism absolutely is a religion.

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/24 "2019-07-26T02:58:41Z")

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> [@DaleCutler](#):
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> And killing our children in utero is fine

They are NOT your children. A woman’s choice if when to have children is her’s alone. It is none of Your and your religion’s business what any woman does with her body. A woman’s reproductive rights are her human right.

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**Author:** ![DaleCutler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dalecutler/32/746_2.png) [@DaleCutler](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/DaleCutler)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/25 "2019-07-26T03:01:01Z")

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Says Patrick, ex cathedra.

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**Author:** ![John\_Harshman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/john_harshman/32/1121_2.png) [@John\_Harshman](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/John_Harshman)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/26 "2019-07-26T03:15:36Z")

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I find it’s best just to let him rattle on without hindrance.

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Callen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/michael_callen/32/897_2.png) [@Michael\_Callen](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Michael_Callen)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/27 "2019-07-26T03:27:46Z")

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Take a breath everyone and keep it cool in here…

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 9:37am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/28 "2019-07-26T09:37:21Z")

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> [@DaleCutler](#):
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> Then atheism absolutely is a religion.

Atheism is the absence of belief in God(s), all of them…

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 9:46am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/29 "2019-07-26T09:46:48Z")

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Religious Conclusions? There are never any conclusions regarding religion. Religion is based on blind faith and not any critical thinking process that can result in a conclusion. Our Government must remain neutral on all religions, and may not proclaim any religion to be true or false. The Government does have a responsible to protect people and especially children from the **harm** that religion can cause when religion interferes in people’s lives.

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**Author:** ![DaleCutler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dalecutler/32/746_2.png) [@DaleCutler](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/DaleCutler)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/30 "2019-07-26T15:52:19Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> Us versus them mentality.

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> It is none of Your… business

Got it.

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**Author:** ![DaleCutler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dalecutler/32/746_2.png) [@DaleCutler](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/DaleCutler)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/31 "2019-07-26T16:34:39Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> …the absence of belief in God(s)…

That describes agnostics, as well.

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Callen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/michael_callen/32/897_2.png) [@Michael\_Callen](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Michael_Callen)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/my-talk-with-andrew-seidel-about-his-book-on-america-s-secular-origins/7014/32 "2019-07-26T16:41:00Z")

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