This is much older than previously thought:
There goes the 500,000 year old bottleneck conjecture.
This is much older than previously thought:
There goes the 500,000 year old bottleneck conjecture.
500 kya I donât think was a hypothesis in the traditional sense but a lower limit based upon our best measurements/calculations.
None the less you can still have the first âHomo sapiensâ being within 500 kya if you do the demarcation line trick. So that is Neanderthals split from our ancestors that werenât demarcated as Homo sapiens yet! (Note this could be wrong but itâs how I understood one argument that @swamidass made).
Thatâs about right @pevaquark. Though that is only considering TMR4A. Iâm advising people like WLC to develop a clear theological approach to deal with interbreeding, lest they are caught off guard.
@Patrick the paper in the OP is very weak evidence. In hominid evolition there is often mosaics Individuals in the past, with attributes that only later segregate into distinct linages. Regardless, once we move back to 500 Kya, I canât see any valid objection to moving back to 700 Kya. The really interesting thing about people who take this tact, they are essentially taking all of Genesis as mythical except one detail. Iâm still not clear how to make sense of the logic behind this position.
I think our species comes into existence roughly 300,000 years ago. Then around the 40,000 years ago mated with Neanderthals. How does these facts fit in?
âhumanâ in theology doesnât correspond with a taxonomic category like âspecies.â You canât draw a correspondence like this.
oh, sorta like âkindsâ
No, sort of like how scientists usethe term âhumanâ, with no correspondence to taxonomy.
yes, I see one characteristic of being human is upright walking going back millions of years. Human is really a very undefined term. Hard to draw a line between human and non-human in history.
I agree totally.
In fact, Iâm sort of eager for the first Creationist to even attempt it!!!
That will go over like a projectile vomit on a church balcony! This Neanderthal has the image of God⌠but not this group over here.
And âkindâ apparently includes Neanders with Sapiens⌠isnât it obvious?
Oh⌠and the farming the first couple learned in Eden?.. well, they forgot all about it âŚ
Weak on several grounds. There is far less reason to think there is a consistent âtooth morphologyâ clock than a DNA clock.