# Side Comments on : Petroleum geology predictions

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**Created:** [April 17, 2026, 5:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755 "2026-04-17T17:16:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/tim/32/9381_2.png) [@Tim](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Tim)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 5:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/1 "2026-04-17T17:16:09Z")

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> [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/12):
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> _ **That was now 3 decades ago** _\*\*!\*\*
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> I personally started following this topic in the early 90s, and can attest that back then the evidence for YEC was pretty sparse!
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> Since then, SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.

So how much has “changed” since you tried, _and failed abysmally_, to present “evidence for YEC” in this thread:

> [@YEC vs FE Part 1: Evidence for YEC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/yec-vs-fe-part-1-evidence-for-yec/17102):
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> The following a multi-part response to @AllenWitmerMiller’s question here: [Is it unfair to compare YECism with flat-earthism?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/is-it-unfair-to-compare-yecism-with-flat-earthism/17049) Disclaimer: I’m sure I’ll get a lot of replies, but I’m going to primarily focus on dialog with Allen. I want to begin my threads on topic of evidence for The Global Flood. Obviously this topic could go on for months. So I’m going to limit myself initially to two posts here: 1) An interview with a geomorphologist, and 2) a book. I’ll put each in a separate post, and then \*explain why I picked those. After that I’ll probably add just a few more posts of my favorite evidences for The Flood. Then try to move to the next topic (and eventually answer the YEC vs FE OP). Here’s a good example (which also helps address that last sentence a little): This is an interview with a geomorphologist who came to believe in a Global Flood before becoming a Christian (ironically). One thing this video helped answered for me was that question: “Why don’t more secular…

Have you finally realised that the highlands of Kangaroo Island are neither flat nor uneroded?

You would seem to be flogging the same old dead horse as a year ago.

Speaking of dead horses:

> [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/17):
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> So JUST after I posted my original post, and before reading your comment, I happened to watch this interview with him:
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> ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/peacefulscience/original/3X/3/d/3d27e3f49e1d60a2536dab543f724b69b7547ed0.jpeg "The Genesis Flood Was REAL | A Geologist Reveals Shocking Evidence! (Dr. Tim Clarey)")
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> [The Genesis Flood Was REAL | A Geologist Reveals Shocking Evidence! (Dr. Tim Clarey)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5kdnQVh4s)
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> So apparently he’s finished two other continents. And this was a summary of that research.

This would be the same Tim Clarey who falsely claimed that:

> But [secular geologists]’ve never looked at the rock record across multiple continents simultaneously.

I suppose that I shouldn’t be surprised that Clarey is relegated to Donny’s high-volume, low-rent, zero-credibility Youtube channel, where he received less than two thousand views.

> [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/17):
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> If you listen to the first 40 minutes, you’ll see him doing what you described, a “systematic study of all geologic features and reach general conclusions”

I skimmed the transcript at that period in the video, and all I could see was Clarey discussing (superficially) a handful of places. “Systematic study of all geologic features” would be the lifetime work of thousands of geologists, documented in hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed scientific articles. The “general conclusions” would need to be consilient with the totality of that research, not a single YEC apologist’s tourist visits to a handful of places.

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**Author:** ![Roy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/roy/32/3799_2.png) [@Roy](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Roy)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 5:20pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/2 "2026-04-17T17:20:36Z")

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> [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/12):
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> > [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/4):
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> > Is anyone here not already familiar with Glenn Morton (@grmorton)?
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> I _always_ enjoy seeing Glenn Morton being mentioned here. And I’m glad you _just_ mentioned him because it’s relevant to my previous post to @faded_Glory (which hopefully got approved before this one).
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> His testimony is a favorite one brought up here often:
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> [Why I Left Young-Earth Creationism](https://peacefulscience.org/articles/glenn-morton/)
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> Notice that his doubts about YEC **grew stronger “by 1986”**. And he includes quotes from fellow YECs from that timeframe.
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> And here’s a quote from him that Ron provided:
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> > [@Petroleum geology predictions](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/petroleum-geology-predictions/17744/5):
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> > I was still a YEC myself. But by the mid 1980s, I threw in the towel.
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> > The geologic data simply doesn’t support a young earth.
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> _ **That was now 3 decades ago** _\*\*!\*\*
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> I personally started following this topic in the early 90s, and can attest that back then the evidence for YEC was pretty sparse!
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> Since then, SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.

Nothing has changed. AiG’s current list of young earth ‘evidence’ covers much the same topics that they were using more than 30 years ago: C14 in diamonds, magnetic field decay, human population growth, moon recession.

The only items that could possibly be described as ‘new’ are

- intact dinosaur cells, and
- no cracks in grand canyon rock folds,

both of which are blatant deception.

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Eastwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dan_eastwood/32/2368_2.png) [@Dan\_Eastwood](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Dan_Eastwood)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 5:30pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/3 "2026-04-17T17:30:39Z")

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> [@Tim](#):
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> This would be the same Tim Clarey who falsely claimed that:
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> > But [secular geologists]’ve never looked at the rock record across multiple continents simultaneously.

He really said that? So just ignoring the existence of plate tectonic theory, which comes directly out of examining multiple continents simultaneously.

@jeffb I don’t want to pick up you, but perhaps you understand that when someone like Clarey simply lies, it does nothing to further the cause of Creation science. That’s why **Todd Wood** gets a lot of respect from people who disagree with him - because he it honest about the existence of evidence.

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Eastwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/dan_eastwood/32/2368_2.png) [@Dan\_Eastwood](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Dan_Eastwood)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 9:10pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/4 "2026-04-17T21:10:35Z")

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3 comments moved because it is my policy to automatically agree when someone flags one my own comments as off-topic. It’s the easy fix that doesn’t require hard decisions.

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**Author:** ![John\_Harshman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/john_harshman/32/1121_2.png) [@John\_Harshman](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/John_Harshman)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/5 "2026-04-17T23:00:15Z")

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> [@Dan\_Eastwood](#):
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> He really said that? So just ignoring the existence of plate tectonic theory, which comes directly out of examining multiple continents simultaneously.

Also ignoring all studies of isostatic sea level.

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**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/tim/32/9381_2.png) [@Tim](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Tim)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2026, 3:11am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/6 "2026-04-18T03:11:18Z")

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> [@Dan\_Eastwood](#):
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> He really said that? So just ignoring the existence of plate tectonic theory, which comes directly out of examining multiple continents simultaneously.

Yes, Jeff himself provided that quote, on the thread I cited above, [here](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/yec-vs-fe-part-1-evidence-for-yec/17102/2) – where he cited Clarey’s book as his “second” major purported piece of evidence supporting YEC.

@jeffb should not be unaware that Clarey’s credibility is in doubt, as @AllenWitmerMiller contributed this video to that thread:

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/peacefulscience/original/3X/d/e/dea1aabe530673ab56a1ca10f2c99b12223a52d6.jpeg "Debunking Dr. Tim Clarey (Institute of Creation Research) Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Hqpz_iotc)

This means that Jeff is ‘flogging a dead horse’ at all levels, both by repeating his claims of (non-existent) new evidence, in recent decades, for YEC, _ **and** _ in citing Clarey’s discredited claims as part of that ‘evidence’.

It would seem that ‘Morton’s Demon’ is particularly strong in Jeff – allowing in the claims of the likes of Clarey through, but carefully filtering out the reception of these claims by scientifically-literate audiences, leading him to try to use them over and over again – with disastrous results.

It should be noted that this wasn’t even the first time that Clarey’s book came up on this forum: it got its own thread back in 2020 here:

> [@Tim Clarey and Plate Tectonics](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/tim-clarey-and-plate-tectonics/11319):
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> The claim has to do with the time it would take for plate tectonics moving at the modern speed to deform lithified layers (sedimentary layers after they turned to rock). Ofc, if it all happened during the Flood and according to the CPT model, not only would the tectonic movements be much faster but the deformation can occur while the layers are still soft. The only way a rock layer can be deformed like that is if it occurs very, very slowly. The CPT model shows how tectonic movements can occur quickly before they are lithified. See Tim Clarey’s book [Carved in Stone](https://store.icr.org/carved-in-stone-geological-evidence-of-the-worldwi.html). There’s a nice discussion of angular unconformities.

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**Author:** ![faded\_Glory](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/faded_glory/32/7167_2.png) [@faded\_Glory](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/faded_Glory)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2026, 7:12am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/7 "2026-04-18T07:12:24Z")

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A long and detailed read, but [here](https://jesusinhistoryandscience.com/?p=2338) is a comprehensive demolishment of Dr. Clarey’s book by another retired Petroleum Geologist, Stephen Mitchell. I don’t think I’ve ever met him, he worked for the competition 😉 but there is little in his article that I would disagree with.

By the way, according to the ‘About’ section on his website Stephen Mitchell is a practising Christian who teaches Bible classes and has leadership positions in his church. There are other sections on his site where he discusses YEC vs. Deep Time, also of interest to these discussions.

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**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/tim/32/9381_2.png) [@Tim](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Tim)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2026, 9:23am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/8 "2026-04-18T09:23:30Z")

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It seems that myself (and I think Roy before me) weren’t the first to take notice of Clarey’s hubris:

> I was a bit amused by his suggestion that he is the first to do this, but he may be the first to do so from a young Earth perspective. He wrote, “_But, as this book will reveal, they have never looked at the rock record across multiple continents simultaneously_.” (p. 23). I know that such work has been done by many geologic groups over time. The best work that I am aware of is not actually available in the public domain, because it resides in private international oil companies. ExxonMobil, where I worked, maintains and is continually improving their global maps, and I know others do the same. They have access to seismic and well data that is just not available to the public. I spent several years working regional geologic studies in West Africa, and we were constantly linking to South America. Multi-continent studies are common.

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**Author:** ![faded\_Glory](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/faded_glory/32/7167_2.png) [@faded\_Glory](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/faded_Glory)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2026, 12:34pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/side-comments-on-petroleum-geology-predictions/17755/9 "2026-04-18T12:34:53Z")

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Quite so. Similar things were done in the multinational companies I worked for. I distinctly remember work done to link Brazil with Nigeria, in the end we got acreage in both countries because of virtually identical play concepts.