# The Argument Clinic

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
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**Created:** [November 22, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561 "2022-11-22T14:16:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/tim/32/9381_2.png) [@Tim](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Tim)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561/1123 "2023-05-15T23:31:09Z")

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> [@Meerkat\_SK5](#):
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> Nice little bait and switch. As you know, studying quantum physics online from various sources is not the same thing as studying the basics of quantum physics.

You stated:

> [@Meerkat\_SK5](#):
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> I only need to know the basics of quantum physics and read enough about it online to make my case. You guys can do the same but you don’t and that’s the difference between me and everyone else here.

The clear implication here is that, as you are “mak[ing] [your] case” here, you are claiming to “know the basics of quantum physics” and have “read enough about it online” to do so.

The problem here is that all physics has its basis in applied mathematics – and this includes quantum physics.

**The “basics” of all physics is math** – and this again includes quantum physics.

If you don’t understand the math, then you _cannot_ “know the basics of quantum physics”.

This has meant that _far from successfully_ “mak[ing] [your] case”, what you have in fact done is convince everybody (with the possible exception of a few like the [already-known-to-be-mathematically-challenged](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/bills-math-class/15672/) @colewd) that **you have no idea what you’re talking about.**

The math is _particularly_ important in determining if quantum effects can be stretched sufficiently far as to justify ORCH-OR’s claims – questions over which appearing to be one of the major criticisms of ORCH-OR.

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