# The Argument Clinic

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
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**Created:** [November 22, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561 "2022-11-22T14:16:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![colewd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@colewd](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/colewd)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561/2400 "2024-02-12T20:27:36Z")

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> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> That’s false.

> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> This is incoherent. There is no “the parsimony claim” here.

Have you entertained that multiple different life forms have been seeded on earth?

> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> This is incoherent. There is no “the parsimony claim” here.

When you invoke “literal magic” to the alternative you are making a parsimony claim. Common descent is simpler than separate creation. This is what Darwins original claim was based on.

> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> Show us why not.

There does not exist any population genetics model that can show how animals with different genes and chromosome counts can be reproductively related. See do all deer share a common ancestor. [Do all deer share a common ancestor?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/do-all-deer-share-a-common-ancestor/16040)

> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> By “making real sense of the data” of course you mean “concluding it’s magic”.

Do you discount the possibility a creator is behind the diversity of life?

> [@Junk DNA, High R, Pinnipeds, and the Multiverse](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/junk-dna-high-r-pinnipeds-and-the-multiverse/16417/311):
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> Until you can point to any such data, this is best treated as just another lie.

> [@Do all deer share a common ancestor?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/do-all-deer-share-a-common-ancestor/16040):
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> In the discussion “Bills math class” @Rumraket introduced a paper including a tree diagram showing the genetic relationship of several deer species which tried to reconcile the large variation in chromosome counts. [[image] ](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/peacefulscience/original/3X/f/4/f45204bbf715bf5f3fa2210d7d4dcfb992270bd8.png) Can we reconcile the common ancestry of deer based on population genetics for chromosome variation and gene family variation? Is it possible that some deer have separate points of origin?

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