# The Argument Clinic

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561>\
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**Created:** [November 22, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561 "2022-11-22T14:16:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![Faizal\_Ali](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/faizal_ali/32/12416_2.png) [@Faizal\_Ali](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Faizal_Ali)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-argument-clinic/15561/2650 "2025-01-20T17:18:20Z")

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I will just draw your attention to this confounding, yet revealing, exchange with @colewd from a recent discussion, with which I believe you are familiar:

> [@Shroud of Turin redivivus - Not following where the evidence leads](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/shroud-of-turin-redivivus-not-following-where-the-evidence-leads/16910/1021):
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> Wrong. He demonstrates that WAXS data is inconsistent with itself, and therefore completely meaningless. For instance: (I)t is a pity that none of the other textiles were subject to the same treatment (as the Shroud was) , to find out if the assumptions and equations used for the Shroud are really meaningful. For instance, the average temperature and humidity of Masada are 22.6°C and 59.5% (from [Masada, Golan Heights, IL Climate Zone, Monthly Averages, Historical Weather Data](https://tcktcktck.org/israel/golan-heights/masada)). This is hotter and damper than Memphis (22.1°C and 51% according to de Caro). If we take the portion of the Shroud graph relating to Memphis and extrapolate it as if it had remained there rather than moving north, we should be able to discover an appropriate minimum CBnor for a Masada textile (which from experiment was 0.7). This is clearly nonsensical… Yeah, no kidding. Did you just overlook that part of the article? And all the other parts where he makes argum…

It suggests that, when confronted with material he cannot comprehend and/ or which is too challenging to his beliefs he will fabricate or hallucinate an entirely new meaning of the text, completely unrelated to its actual meaning, and then proceed as if the meaning he has created is genuine.

Very weird.

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