# This should be the last word

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/this-should-be-the-last-word/16743>\
**Category:** Side Conversation\
**Tags:** Science, Society, Article\
**Created:** [July 13, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/this-should-be-the-last-word/16743 "2024-07-13T02:25:43Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mercer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Mercer](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Mercer)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/this-should-be-the-last-word/16743/58 "2024-07-28T21:19:38Z")

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> [@Giltil](#):
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> > [@Art](#):
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> > Oh wait, some are claiming that scientists in China picked up on the research anyways. And managed, in the space of 6-12 months, to conduct experiments that, with proper funding, would take 3-5 years
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> Robert Garry, the last author of the Proximal Origin paper, disagrees with you for he said privately that a single graduate student at an institution such as the Wuhan Institute of Virology could do it.

The essay was very misleading about that.

Even clicking through to the source, there’s nothing that Garry wrote that disagrees with what Art wrote. Garry didn’t state a time, so claiming he disagrees with Art about that is utterly false. He didn’t write about “a single graduate student _at an institution such as the Wuhan Institute of Virology._”

Art and I know a whole lot about how long things take to do in the lab and you obviously don’t.

Did you make this highly misleading claim on the basis of ignorance, dishonesty, or both? Since you’re pretending that Garry disagrees with Art and agrees with you, why is he an author of the _Science_ paper titled simply, _The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic_?

[https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715)

It appears that you are hiding the fact that Dr. Garry is in complete disagreement with you about the big picture. How can you then cite him in support of your conspiracy-mongering without noting this much larger disagreement?

Don’t forget what you wrote:

> [@Winston Ewert develops his dependency graph model further](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/winston-ewert-develops-his-dependency-graph-model-further/16290/68):
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> I avoid nothing

How many points have you avoided in this thread alone? As just one example, when are you going to address the data in Figs. 1 and 2 of the review Art cited?

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