# Three Views of Creation I Accept As Possibile
**URL:** https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200
**Category:** Side Conversation
**Created:** [August 16, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200 "2018-08-16T14:35:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 17, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/21 "2018-08-17T18:38:58Z")
I wish to thank you, my friend
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/22 "2018-08-18T04:09:26Z")
> [@Ashwin\_s](#):
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> The more I listen to the conversations here, the more it seems to me that we can’t state theological positions on creation in terms of ID or evolution. The focus of both terms is nature and not God whereas the focus of theology is God. I
@Ashwin_s
I think @swamidass would agree that it is the OTHER way around.
Theology can discuss ANYTHING.
But science cannot discuss theology. That’s why Id’s attempt to get science to back up ID is doomed to fail.
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/23 "2018-08-18T05:21:53Z")
> [@Charles\_Miller](#):
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> George, if I sounded rude, I wish to apologize to you, and I hope you accept it
@Charles_Miller
I will happily accept your apology if you can tell me whether you plan to discontinue that phrase.
I haven’t read every post… so I’m not sure what your ultimate verdict is or was.
You can even continue to use it… if you just tell me what it should mean.
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### Author:  [@Ashwin\_s](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Ashwin_s)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/24 "2018-08-18T05:43:48Z")
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> I think @swamidass would agree that it is the OTHER way around.
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> Theology can discuss ANYTHING.
Anyone can discuss anything George. However there are ways to discuss things in a clear way. Scientific terms such as evolution are not made with God or theological considerations. Hence using these words to explain theological understandings of creation can and does lead to confusion.hence bettwr to build an independent foundation in terms of God’s action and then see what understanding best fits what theory/understanding of evolution.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/25 "2018-08-18T12:30:44Z")
I will be glad to stop using that phrase if it disturbs you. Let’s see if I can remember it. I wish to say that I will go no further with this issue.
**Evolution: Non Darwinian** - God-guided evolution, Christian Theistic Evolution, Evolutionary Creation. I wish to appeal this to Dr. Joshua. I feel that I have explained this enough to George; therefore, I wish for George to be asked not to bring this subject up again. Please ask the moderators to join in the fun.😆 If George does not wish to accept my apology, then so be it. That is his freewill. I do not believe I need to write a Dictionary of the English Language on this. I believe I have explained this enough, George. If this was not enough, you may give it your own definition and publish your own dictionary. Make it a master peace.
@swamidass
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/26 "2018-08-18T13:01:09Z")
No, Theology cannot discuss everything. Can you fix a car with theology or build a house? Pray tell George.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/27 "2018-08-18T13:19:29Z")
There was no verdict, George. You should not use legal terms if you do not have a Juris Doctor.
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/28 "2018-08-18T13:23:21Z")
> [@Ashwin\_s](#):
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> Scientific terms such as evolution are not made with God or theological considerations. Hence using these words to explain theological understandings of creation can and does lead to confusion
@Ashwin_s,
This is why God invented ADJECTIVES!
GOD-Guided Evolution is NOT the same as Scientific Evolution…and virtually everyone understands this but you.
Frankly, it is your repeated attempt to reject any descriptive phrase that would EQUAL God-Guided Evolution that makes me question your sincerity.
This is not to be interpreted as being mean or coarse…but my honest dismay as to what your intentions are if you continue to reject any attempt to make a distinction between Godless Evolution …and EVOLUTION that REQUIRES God’s engagement.
Even ID folks dont attempt to suppress discussion in that way.
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/29 "2018-08-18T15:02:28Z")
> [@Charles\_Miller](#):
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> I wish to appeal this to Dr. Joshua. I feel that I have explained this enough to George; therefore, I wish for George to be asked not to bring this subject up again.
@Charles_Miller,
I don’t know what you are getting all spun up about.
I will conclude that You didn’t intend to use this phrase to begin with. The subject is now closed.
And what you were intending to mean was “Non-Neo-Darwinian God-Guided Evolution”!
May the original phrase “Evolution Non-Darwinism” never be seen again.
> [@Three Views of Creation I Accept As Possibile](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/9):
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> @Charles_Miller So are you confirming that the phrase “Evolution Non-Darwinism” was unintentional? I can’t tell if you were Explaining the two word phrase (which you havent)… or explaining what you WANTED to say. Please advise on this: “Evolution Non-Darwinism”.
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### Author:  [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/30 "2018-08-18T15:14:34Z")
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> This is why God invented ADJECTIVES!
God didn’t invent adjectives, people did. Perhaps all the way back to Homo Erectus.
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> GOD-Guided Evolution is NOT the same as Scientific Evolution…and virtually everyone understands this but you.
Not everybody. The term **evolution** (no adjectives) is used for the entire study and today’s entirety of knowledge of biology.
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> This is not to be interpreted as being mean or coarse…but my honest dismay as to what your intentions are if you continue to reject any attempt to make a distinction between Godless Evolution …and EVOLUTION that REQUIRES God’s engagement.
The study of evolution must be Godless.
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/31 "2018-08-18T15:16:39Z")
> [@Charles\_Miller](#):
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> No, Theology cannot discuss anything. Can you fix a car with theology or build a house? Please pray tell George.
@Charles_Miller
I didn’t say theology could FIX anything.
My point was that Theology has the capacity to embrace the entire Cosmos… if a holy book requires it.
This is NOT a symmetrical relationship … unless you are ID or Eddie.
This refers to Christians attempting to put God’s design within the scope of Science.
I think this is likely to fail… and more importantly, it is not an important question to answer in order to champion the idea that God uses Special Creation AND Evolution to create Earth’s living things!
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### Author:  [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/32 "2018-08-18T15:18:34Z")
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> This refers to Christians attempting to put God’s design within the scope of Science.
Christians (or any other theist) **shouldn’t** attempt to put God’s design within the scope of science, then it wouldn’t be science anymore.
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### Author:  [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/33 "2018-08-18T15:20:05Z")
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> My point was that Theology has the capacity to embrace the entire Cosmos… if a holy book requires it.
No it doesn’t.
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### Author:  [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/34 "2018-08-18T15:23:52Z")
> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> I think this is likely to fail… and more importantly, it is not an important question to answer in order **to champion the idea that God uses Special Creation AND Evolution to create Earth’s living things!**
A pointless hypothesis that can’t be proven or disproven.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/35 "2018-08-18T16:53:31Z")
As always, you have not written your dictionary and given your definition. You are an absolute failure, Georgie.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/36 "2018-08-18T16:57:39Z")
Give a definition to the term I used. Also, can theology build a house or fix a car? Give us an answer. We want
to read your answer, George.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/37 "2018-08-18T17:16:31Z")
I wish to thank those who joined in the discussion with George. Perhaps it taught him a lesson.😆 George, you said that theology can do everything. I would like a picknick table in my back yard. Let’s see a discussion on theology to build me one. Oh George, I consider my part in this fiasco closed.
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### Author:  [@gbrooks9](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/gbrooks9)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/38 "2018-08-19T15:29:14Z")
> [@Charles\_Miller](#):
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> I wish to thank those who joined in the discussion with George. Perhaps it taught him a lesson.😆 George, you said that theology can do everything. I would like a picknick table in my back yard. Let’s see a discussion on theology to build me one. Oh George, I consider my part in this fiasco closed
@Charles_Miller,
Did you find my answer?
The fiasco came from using a terminology that was New, confusing… and that you wouldn’t say one way or another what it was supposed to mean. I am concluding you won’t use that phrase in future postings.
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2018, 11:21am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/39 "2018-08-20T11:21:19Z")
I explained terminology enough, George. You must only read Korean!
@Patrick
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### Author:  [@Charles\_Miller](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Charles_Miller)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/three-views-of-creation-i-accept-as-possibile/1200/40 "2018-08-20T11:29:53Z")
No, George. You are the fiasco. Must you always repeat yourself? And the answer is yes! Have you talked to Beagle lady lately? Pray tell her greetings.
@Patrick
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