# Universal Common Designer theory \[UPDATED and REVISED\]

**URL:** <https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/universal-common-designer-theory-updated-and-revised/14182>\
**Category:** Conversation\
**Tags:** Science, Design\
**Created:** [August 29, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/universal-common-designer-theory-updated-and-revised/14182 "2021-08-29T01:46:59Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.peacefulscience.org/tim/32/9381_2.png) [@Tim](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Tim)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/universal-common-designer-theory-updated-and-revised/14182/100 "2021-09-13T16:23:13Z")

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> [@Meerkat\_SK5](#):
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> ’ In his “orchestrated objective reduction” theory (a.k.a. Orch-OR), Penrose posits that consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules throughout neurons in the brain. In this view, _individual consciousness is connected to a universal proto-consciousness_ . This theory may resonate with the classical Buddhist view, that consciousness is the “ground” or primordial nature of the universe.’
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> [The Beginner’s Mind of Scientist Sir Roger Penrose - Lion’s Roar (lionsroar.com)](https://www.lionsroar.com/the-beginners-mind-of-scientist-sir-roger-penrose/)

1. These words are those of Tony Stultz, _not Penrose’s own_.

2. It is _not clear_ how this claim that “individual consciousness is connected to a universal proto-consciousness” derives from Penrose positing “that consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules throughout neurons in the brain.”

3. It is also _not clear_ whether this “universal proto-consciousness” relates to your " self-existent consciousness".

4. There is _no indication whatsoever_ that either Stultz or Penrose viewed this “universal proto-consciousness” as a ‘creator’, _let alone_ that either claimed that it “created finite conscious minds”.

Therefore, your claim of:

> [@Meerkat\_SK5](#):
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> … Penrose’s interpretation of a self-existent consciousness that created finite conscious minds …

**Still** lacks any foundation.

The _best_ that you can claim from this piece is that _Stultz interpreted_ Penrose’s work as there being a universal proto-consciousness to which individual consciousnesses are connected.

And we now have _further_ examples of @Meerkat_SK5 citing sources that _do not support their claims._

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