Dr. Swamidass. So great to see this new forum for hashing out some of the differing worldviews.
I noticed a statement by you that suggested that science cannot entertain design because this would have to entertain the idea of either God or aliens…not fitting for serious scientific research. I thought to myself,“That is a seriously unfair statement” The trade for this not considering faith in aliens is entertaining yet another faith we could call chance, or nothingness or atheistic naturalism… and this faith rarely provides adequate soil for a belief in God and His gospel seed to grow. Let me explain further:
As you may have noticed in previous writings on biologos and others, i would have to ask the question “why not id?” I will give a crude example that may help to explain the grounds for such a question:
A detective is on a missing person’s case. The person is thought to be under the control of their kidnapper in a 100 sq mile area of desert. In that desert, some detectives see a statement in the english language formed by grooves in the sand and it says “Im alive-little canyon reserve” that could be a message the victim is trying to relay as to a potential future location to which the kidnapper was taking her next.
So, i have come to realize that you are a brilliant person who has a heart for our Lord, so please don’t conclude that i am being insulting when i would state the obvious that the detectives who saw that writting did not hesitate in one single instance to conclude that the writting was from none other than a human being with intelligence enough to write. There could be discussion about the purpose of the message or about who wrote it…but there would be no discourse on the potential for the wind to have ruffled up the sand to cause such. No journals marking the nearby cacti for how these locations could have caused the signal. The forensic science engaged COUNTED on this written message in the sand to indeed be by a human being with intellegence enough to write english. And this supposition does not hurt the investigation…it helps! Your comments about ID being a hindrance to real science is just not true and represents a very simple minded worldview indoctrinated into too many minds by the mainstream…
Anyway, ID carries a similar investigative strategy as these detectives for orgins. It sees the writting in the sand EVERYWHERE in creation and it intelligently concludes that a Maker of such MUST be entertained into the mix which must also entertain that this Maker could create in so many numbers of ways including some that may not be decipherable to the human observer. I think we call that science. For these detectives to exert energy in their scientific efforts towards studying wind patterns as the possible maker of this message would be a waste of time and a pathway towards the absurd.
Todays mainstream science thinks it takes the high road by sidestepping intelligence. It thinks that such is a faith not to be recognized as this is unprofessional and unwarranted. But what they have done is backed themselves into a corner of a faith they themselves find tethered to called naturalism and the faith of naturalism will always conclude naturalistically, thus eliminating the very real, and frankly more likely scenario that God just made this thing we call life on earth in its forms…and that perhaps He could have sent flooding waters that according to Dr. Kurt Wise with an Ivy League education, really do have validity for being the cause of our fossil record…
In closing, i would challenge you to consider something as you hear some of the arguments on this website you have created. Im going to challenge your very intelligent mind in a very simplistic way that will possibly help you to understand how we must, as intelligent beings made in the image of God be willing to completely mentally disrobe out of our worldview in order to see the validity of principle out from another. The simplistic way i would suggest you consider is a picture of tile and grout. I know, you say, c’mon Greg, first the desert story now this?!!! Bear with me:
If you were to take a light tan colored group of tiles and glue these to a board next to a group of darker brown colored tiles, all of which had spaces between the tiles and a light tan grout spread equally across them all, i promise that upon looking at the color of the grout between the dark vs light colored tiles, you would conclude that the color of the grout between the dark tile is absolutely, positively and without a dought significantly different in color than the grout between the light tan tile. If you had not known firsthand that the grout was actually the same, youd be willing to bet money they were different and significantly so.
The Bible suggests that wisdom comes from our Lord, and He suggests very strongly threaded throughout Scripture that He created life in its forms we understand today. It does not say He planted a seed and watched nature create. It says He did the creating. I am apart of a group of tiles that not only subscribes to a sense that all of what we know about life on this planet wisely concludes that this is intelligence written in the sand of life points to an intelligent agent making it, but also subscribe to a text scrutized for centuries which holds water as being legitimately of the One and Only God who says He created life in its forms. Unless one is willing to disrobe of their worldview group of tiles labled naturalism and by faith put on another’s robe of tiles labled intelligence for coming to understanding and possible unity, they will always 100% see their grout color differently… and significantly so.