# Why Does ID Criticize TE?

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**Created:** [May 5, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/why-does-id-criticize-te/143 "2018-05-05T14:06:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![Eddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Eddie](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Eddie)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/why-does-id-criticize-te/143/132 "2018-12-28T04:48:17Z")

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> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> Here’s a paragraph or two written by someone who knows better than @Eddie:

Hardly. Hauck is an “author, consultant, and lecturer” (read: pop autodidact), whose degrees I can find nowhere listed (though a blurb claims he did graduate study in Vienna, without specifying subject or university); he writes gobs of popular books on alchemy, haunted houses, “consciousness studies”, and other New Age BS; he is a member of such illustrious “scientific” bodies as ATP (Association for Transpersonal Psychology), and ISSSEEM (International Society for the Study of Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine). I studied alchemy in a scholarly way, as part of the history of science and part of the history of religious thought, using the proper, standard sources, both primary and secondary. None of them were written by Hauck.

> [@gbrooks9](#):
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> “One of the mottos of alchemy is Ora et Labora: Pray and Work. Alchemists spent many hours in solitary contemplation, attempting to purify and focus their minds,

Yes, alchemy was as much about the purification of the soul as it was about making gold. I’m still waiting to hear the connection with ID, which isn’t about either.

In fact, one of the leading ID proponents, William Dembski, has several times used alchemy as an example of a science which failed – and he would hardly equate ID with a science that failed, would he? Once again, your adamant refusal to actually read any books by ID proponents, your determination to just make stuff up about what ID is and what ID proponents say, without having the slightest acquaintance with ID writings, betrays you. Nobody, but nobody, is going to take anything you say seriously about ID until you show that you have done your homework.

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