# Would Jeanson Please Correct A Clear Misrepresentation?
**URL:** https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066
**Category:** Peaceful Science
**Tags:** Communication, Science
**Created:** [July 8, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066 "2020-07-08T15:38:25Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/1 "2020-07-08T15:38:25Z")
Continuing the discussion from [Jeanson Accuses Duff of Misconduct…Again](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/jeanson-accuses-duff-of-misconduct-again/11024/41):
The AIG biologist Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson has been accusing @David_MacMillan and @Joel_Duff of research misconduct ([Jeanson Accuses Duff of Misconduct...Again](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/jeanson-accuses-duff-of-misconduct-again/11024)).
We’ve been discussing the ethics of public accusations like this ([Jeanson Accuses Duff of Misconduct...Again - #7](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/jeanson-accuses-duff-of-misconduct-again/11024/7)), and I hope that Nathanial considers his actions from here with these standards in mind. In particular, is he willing to apply the same standards to himself that he applies to others?
> Whistleblowers have a responsibility to participate honorably in such procedures by respecting the serious consequences for those they accuse of misconduct, and by **using the same standards to correct their own errors that they apply to others**.
> [Whistleblower's Bill of Rights - APPENDIX A | ORI - The Office of Research Integrity](https://ori.hhs.gov/Whistleblower-Rights)
In his most recent article, Jeanson misrepresents me quite badly. He writes:
> As a result, at least one theistic evolutionist, when confronted with student’s own admissions, has declined to defend the student’s blog.[36](https://answersingenesis.org/theory-of-evolution/when-evolutionists-help-creationists-make-their-case-part-2/#fn_36)
> **[When Evolutionists Help Creationists Make Their Case, Part 2](https://answersingenesis.org/theory-of-evolution/when-evolutionists-help-creationists-make-their-case-part-2/)**
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> We previously reported an egregious case of professional scientific misconduct; one of the perpetrators has responded with additional dishonesty.
So, this sentence is totally is false. Jeanson justifies his comment with a footnote that references this sentence by me:
> [@A Dialogue with Nathaniel Jeanson?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/a-dialogue-with-nathaniel-jeanson/10935/26):
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> We don’t focus on it. That is the first reference. We just thought it might help you catch up on the scientific facts here.
Considering the full thread, where I also endorse the legitimacy of @evograd’s series, this would be a better summary of my thoughts.
> At least one theistic evolutionist, clarified that the focus is not on the student’s blog, but the student is sufficiently qualified to critique Jeanson’s work and raises important points for him to address. [link here]
Now that it has been clarified, I’d like to see a correction. I am not accusing Nathaniel of misconduct here, but I would like a correction.
**[For those of you who do want to read @evograd’s review, here is a great place to start: [Reviewing “Replacing Darwin” – Part 6: Jeanson’s Fulcrum Fails – EvoGrad](https://evograd.wordpress.com/2018/10/30/reviewing-replacing-darwin-part-6-jeansons-fulcrum-fails/)]**
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### Author:  [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/2 "2020-07-08T15:38:58Z")
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### Author:  [@Toni\_Torppa](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Toni_Torppa)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/3 "2020-07-08T16:49:56Z")
> [@swamidass](#):
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> Considering the full thread, where I also endorse the legitimacy of @evograd’s series, this would be a better summary of my thoughts.
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> > At least one theistic evolutionist, clarified that the focus is not on the student’s blog, but the student is sufficiently qualified to critique Jeanson’s work and raises important points for him to address. [link here]
Swamidass you are now changing your statements. Or can you show
where in the full original thread does you endorse evograd? You doesn’t!
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### Author:  [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/4 "2020-07-08T17:07:21Z")
> [@Toni\_Torppa](#):
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> Swamidass you are now changing your statements.
No I am not.
> [@Toni\_Torppa](#):
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> Or can you show
> where in the full original thread does you endorse evograd?
Yes, I can. I recommended the review to you, which is an endorsement of its legitimacy.
> [@A Dialogue with Nathaniel Jeanson?](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/a-dialogue-with-nathaniel-jeanson/10935/22):
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> @Toni_Torppa have your reviewed @evograd’s in-depth review of Jeanson’s book yet?
Elsewhere (and here), I have stated that @evograd is sufficiently qualified to make this critique. His blog was in fact peer reviewed.
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### Author:  [@Patrick](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/Patrick)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/5 "2020-07-08T18:04:39Z")
@evograd’s extensive review of Jeanson’s book was better than Jeanson’s book. @evograd went step by step demolishing all Jeanson’s agruments using the latest results in biology, genetics, and evolution in way that YEC’s can understand and contrast with YEC pseudoscience. @evograd’s review was more of an achievement than Jeanson’s book. The review is more worthy of publication in Science than the book.
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### Author:  [@swamidass](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/swamidass)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/6 "2020-07-08T18:06:08Z")
Jeanson is free to disagree with @evograd’s review or my assessment of the review. It seems like a serious issue if he intends to leave uncorrected his misrepresentation of my assessment of @evograd’s review. That is the focus of this thread.
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### Author:  [@dga471](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/u/dga471)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/would-jeanson-please-correct-a-clear-misrepresentation/11066/7 "2020-07-09T02:11:54Z")
6 posts were split to a new topic: [The definition of peer review](https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-definition-of-peer-review/11072)