Austin Fischer: Innocence, Christian Faith and Evolutionary Biology

Where? in Bio-Complexity?

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@gbrooks9 George, your logic baffles me. There must be a missing “do not” in that last sentence.

As for the rest, having declined, not once, but twice, I shall refuse to answer

thrice.

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In an attempt to clarify what you mean so as to engage in potentially fruitful dialogue. Why are you here?

And yet you say you are willing to accept it. What exactly are you willing to accept?

It isn’t clear why you are refusing to answer. How often do you encounter a scientist who’s afraid to tell people her hypotheses? It can’t be because you’re afraid of the effect on your career; that’s out of the bag already. It can’t be because you have some secret research that must not be…well that must not be something. I’m at a loss.

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@John_Harshman

Having been bitten more than once… I am here for fruitful dialog. And you?

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If you don’t mind me politely asking, fruitful dialog on what? I assumed it was on ID and was happy to have an ID expert here to answer questions but answers about ID have been rather difficult to come by.

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Rather than loiter over the question i have thrice asked, I’ll explain my earlier comments on Behe:

If ID creationists were in the habit of distinguishing between “Intelligent Design” and “God-as-Designer”, they would not automatically assume Behe favors de novo Adam and Eve!!

In fact, my discovery that Behe more than likely endorses only Guided Common Descent came when @colewd provided a Behe interview link which ColeWD believed would explain Special Creation as the BEST scenario.

Imagine my surprise when careful listening revealed that the darling of ID creationists around the world didnt mention a single word in favor of Special Creation.

You won’t get anything fruitful out of refusing to state your position.

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I find it difficult to imagine your surprise. Behe has always, repeatedly and clearly, expressed his agreement with common descent.

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@John_Harshman (cc: @agauger)

Part of the great confidence you use to make that statement comes from the discussion i triggered by pointing out Behe promoted Guided Evolution in that interview!! … not Special Creation!

Even then, Eddie was adamant (and still is!) that Behe was only speaking hypothetically!

@John_Harshman I never said I accepted front loading.

Hear hear.

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@Agauger (cc to @John_Harshman)

I can offer support for your view on “front loading”.

Any Christian who holds to the miraculous birth and resurrection of Jesus must, by definition, reject any “hard” version of a “front-loaded universe”.

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@John_Harshman
I have waited for a private response. and received none. So rather than wait around, I am going to go on and do other work.

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I assure you it does not. He’s been up front about this ever since Darwin’s Black Box, maybe before.

Sure, and so was Bill. But I hope you won’t judge by their standards.

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What view? What do you think that view is?

I was referring to this:

What did you mean by “front-loaded” in that sentence?

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Just wondering - do you still have the t-shirt?

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Seems to be a tacit admission ID just doesn’t care about the when and where and how questions concerning Design that every other science strives to answer. That’s because ID isn’t science, it’s religious apologetics. As long as the Christian God is given credit in public school science classrooms the ID side is happy.

What did Dembski say about " it’s not ID’s task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories"?

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@John_Harshman

So now I am surprised at how well informed you say you were about the nuances of I.D. advocates… considering how little you seemed to grasp when you first arrived at PeacefulScience.Org

Ill just chalk it up to you being some kind savant - - where you know a great many things but have difficulies expressing what you know.