Biblical skepticism of the Origin of Life

[r_speir]

@T_aquaticus

Like I said, you won’t even contemplate the idea that you could be wrong.

Like I said, where is your evidence? Give me the report and we can talk.

[T_aquaticus]

@r_speir

Like I said, where is your evidence?

Thank you for proving my point.

[Michael_Okoko]

I am assuming nothing, read the bible in its entirety as I have and you will understand. Sorry guys, I’m not going to engage any further in an atheist bashing…study the bible if you want to argue your points.

Which bible should he read, Catholic version or non-Catholic versions?

Interestingly we Christians have been studying the Bible for centuries and we ended up with thousands of denominations each claiming to be the group that interprets the Bible correctly.

[r_speir]

@T_aquaticus

You gave me a story.

Funny, but you don’t even have a story. Even if mine were false (which it is not), I would still have more than you in this debate.

[T_aquaticus]

@r_speir

Even if mine were false (which it is not), I would still have more than you in this debate.

Yours is not demonstrable and independently verifiable. Therefore, it isn’t evidence. We would be on the same level.

[r_speir]

@T_aquaticus

Yours is not demonstrable and independently verifiable.

But those are your rules. Why should I care what rules you make up?

[T_aquaticus]

@r_speir

But those are your rules. Why should I care what rules you make up?

So I can make up any old story I want and it counts as evidence equal to anything else?

[Michael_Okoko]

You should care. Remember Elisha versus the prophets of Baal, that’s the type of evidence atheists want.

[r_speir]

You will get it. Be patient. It is coming.

[r_speir]

@T_aquaticus

So I can make up any old story I want and it counts as evidence equal to anything else?

Hey, give it a go. Let’s see if it has elements of historical narrative with eye witnesses. Maybe you can make it sound really convincing. Let’s hear it.

[Michael_Okoko]

Don’t you think its unfair for God to reveal himself, only to destroy those who refused to believe his existence before his appearance? I am assuming this is implicit in your reply.

[Michael_Okoko]

Hey, give it a go. Let’s see if it has elements of historical narrative with eye witnesses. Maybe you can make it sound really convincing. Let’s hear it.

That’s ridiculous. If I told you that Thanos is real because the avengers and non-avengers in the Infinity Wars movie saw him, won’t you call me crazy?

[r_speir]

@Michael_Okoko

That’s ridiculous. If I told you that Thanos is real because the avengers and non-avengers in the Infinity Wars movie saw him, won’t you call me crazy?

You don’t understand. It’s not what I think, it’s what the world thinks is credible and not credible.

Here is the reply you will get from the world when you invent your story and try and put it on a equal footing with a true and authentic historical Biblical account:

“The Bible we know. Moses we know. But who is @T_aquaticus and @Michael_Okoko”?

[T.j_Runyon]

@Faizal_Ali

TBH, that looks like an excellent article, to my admittedly non-expert eyes

Yeah I agree.

[T_aquaticus]

@r_speir

Let’s see if it has elements of historical narrative with eye witnesses. Maybe you can make it sound really convincing. Let’s hear it.

Could you please explain why you have demanded empirical evidence in multiple threads, but are now willing to accept any old story without any empirical evidence?

[r_speir]

@T_aquaticus

Could you please explain why you have demanded empirical evidence in multiple threads, but are now willing to accept any old story without any empirical evidence?

It’s tongue in cheek. Sarcasm. Your story would be nonsense. You did not catch that?

[T_aquaticus]

@r_speir

It’s tongue in cheek. Sarcasm. Your story would be nonsense.

Then we can only conclude that you have no rationalization for accepting or rejecting evidence.

[thoughtful (Valerie (non-scientist))]

@Rumraket

This argument generally takes this form: If the first life arose from inanimate matter, the further we can trace back in time on the tree of life, we should be getting closer to the time when life first arose from inanimate matter. The first organisms would have acquired materials for production of their organic components from those available in the prebiotic environment before they had evolved the capability biosynthesize their own, and thus the composition of their proteomes should largely reflect the availability of their basic constituents. This is what we find.

Life could have been first created like extant life, with the ability to biosynthesize all their own components (such as amino acids), and hence there’s zero reason to expect early life to exhibit an overabundance of the prebiotic distribution of amino acids.
So the results linked above really are some evidence that life arose from non-life.

It’s not evidence at all - you’re just stating it “could” have done this and “could” have done that. Notice again the statement after the sentence I underlined in purple: “However, the alternative is to believe that life had no origins”

No actually, scientists, the alternative is to believe life came from God who has eternal life.

[T_aquaticus]

@thoughtful

No actually, scientists, the alternative is to believe life came from God who has eternal life.

Where is the evidence that life came from God?

[thoughtful (Valerie (non-scientist))]

@Rumraket

Why do you even care that she thinks this? She believes someone who can think without a brain, picked up dust and blew on it and then it became a living human being, that research into the origin of life is occult, and that “Frankenstein is a cautionary tale”. And she believes this simply because it says so in some book. No evidence, no experiments, no way to test or confirm any of it. Book says so, she’s in 100%. Some guy who is a chemist also believes the magic-story, so that’s it, the matter is settled.

Do you really believe someone who is even weakly inclined to agree with such nonsense will feel the slightest pull in the other direction from something as mundane as reason and evidence?

Thanks for that. I actually enjoyed reading it. Your position is weak if you have to resort to insults.

@Michael_Okoko

To be honest I don’t really care, but I want her to think deeply about the things she says.

Thank you. I do.