Carter: Response to TMR4A and Created Heterozygosity

as far as i remember ancient human had much more genetic diversity.

For your viewing pleasure Doc.

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Oh boyā€¦seems like someone is feeling threatened

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@Mr_Wilford

They are a bunch of 20-somethings trying to decide the fate of Christianity. And they do a pretty awful job.

I spent half a day responding to SFTā€™s objectionsā€¦ and he just kept moving his rhetoric around without any attempt to accept science. I finally had to comment that I wasnā€™t coming back to comment any more because it was a total waste of time.

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Iā€™m flattered, I really am. If thatā€™s the best he can do, there does not seem to be any reason to worry.

Do you need some unisom for the sleeping problems he is causingā€¦

I glanced at the one calling me out in the title:

Verbatim quote from SFT at 25:12:

The thing is, the genetic evidence we have that we came from a single Y chromosomal ancestor and a single mitochondrial DNA ancestor - guess what? This didnā€™t have to be true! If ape-to-man evolution was true there could have been any number of mitochondrial DNA ancestors. There could have been any number of Y chromosomal ancestors.

He doesnā€™t seem to understand itā€™s simply a mathematical certainty under evolution that human mtDNA and Y chromosomes could be traced back to a single ancestor. Amazing, considering how much heā€™s talked about this subject and had it explained to him.

The only part of the video actually directed at me seems to be 43:00-47:00 (really more like 45:00-47:00). He shows this post of mine and notes that I acknowledge Africans have more recombination hotspots, but then completely ignores my point that this doesnā€™t seem to increase the overall recombination rate substantially (as they claim). He literally scrolls right over the post where I show that data, but doesnā€™t comment on it.

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At 14:50, Raw Matt was kind enough to remind us all about his ā€œstudyā€ he revealed a while ago that he claims to have submitted to PLoS Biology for peer-review and publication.

Just to give people who still donā€™t understand the level of scientific ability weā€™re dealing with here, hereā€™s the PDF of his ā€œpaperā€, complete with fake journal banner and NCBI copyright link, for some reason: Antediluvian_De_Novo_Mutation_Rate.pdf - Google Drive

Hereā€™s my rebuttal on Reddit: Guys they've done it : DebateEvolution

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Oā€¦mā€¦g. That abstractā€¦and Wikipedia

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Keep reading, it gets much worse!

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Iā€™d like to see the rejection letter, or (if we are really lucky) the peer-reviewer reports.

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Well, technically speaking, if there were some kind of strong frequency-dependent selection, multiple Y or mt lineages could be maintained forever. I know of no real-world examples of that, though. Even in Mytilus, leakage between male and female line mitochondria seems to drive coalescence eventually.

That makes it worse.

That is a ā€˜scientificā€™ ā€˜paperā€™ as constructed by someone who has only ever heard them described in passing.

I really wish I couldā€™ve seen him try and navigate the whole submission process. How did he manage to miss all the submission guidelines? What did he put in the cover letter? Does he know it costs $2500-3000 to publish in PLoS Biology? So many questions.

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I want to avoid crying. Never mind the crappy banners and silly cargo-cult dressing it has with copyright disclaimers and DOI links, it reads like a child wrote it. It reads like Kent Hovindā€™s PhD thesis. It might as well start with ā€œHello my name is Joachim, I am eleven years oldā€.

ā€œMy experience as someone who was a past evolutionary secularist who is now a Young Earth Creation Scientist, is that the overwhelming evidence ability to make novel future testable predictions including retrodictions based on scripture is undeniable. This alone opens up a new window for why Biblical Creation should be taught in the classroom in every school on Earth as a counter argument against evolutionā€.

I rest my case.

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The DOI link is surprising, Iā€™ll have to go back and check to be sure, but Iā€™m pretty sure submissions are not assigned DOIsā€¦which means it might be totally fabricatedā€¦

The DOI was assigned by researchgate - it is (was) a real DOI, just not from the journal.

Maybe he thinks PLoS isnā€™t a journal, just a library, like Researchgate. Maybe he thinks Researchgate is PLoS.

I note that he has exactly one (count it) one reference. I also note that he misspelled ā€œReferencesā€.

He knows PLoS Biology is a journal, not sure exactly what he thinks about researchgate though.

I also donā€™t know how he decided upon submitting his ā€œmanuscriptā€ to PLoS Biology, out of all the journals. Given how cocksure he is, Iā€™m surprised he didnā€™t shoot for Nature or Science.