CMI and Whale Leg Genes

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@Timothy_Horton

How long ago did humpback whales have hind flippers and why don’t they have them now?

because the whale lost them. when? under the old earth scenario probably around 30-35 my ago.

@Timothy_Horton

Are you agreeing Basilosaurus was the ancestor of humpback whales?

it might be possible. yes.

@T.j_Runyon

Basilosaurus hind limbs are nothing like modern flippers

ok, but we are talking about hind flippers.

@Rumraket

Why are there layers of rock in relatively close chronological proximity, that contain fossils of speciments with variations on these traits, that are either more whale-like, or more terrestrial-like? Why would any of this be the case if evolution did not occur, and the whale did not in fact evolve from terrestrial ancestors?

there are two problems with this argument:

1. the majority of fossils are actually “out of place”(and thus dont show a progression), as i showed here:

How many fossils are "out of place"?

one way to test it is to take a group of fossils and check if they fit with their phylogeny. now, take a look at this figure: [pil] (image from “Molecules consolidate the placental mammal tree”) as you can see- about 50% of the cases in the phylogeny that base on the morphological data arent fit with the their position that base on the molecular data. now, take a look at this tetrapod evolution (image from wiki): [image] remember that this series is base on morphology since we dont have genetic data from these fossils. it means that about 50% of the fossils in this figure arent realy fit with their supposedly real phylogeny that base on the molecular data, and thus are “out of place” actually (so a primitive fossil can appeare after more modern fossil). and this is even when we ignore the “out of place tracks” in the bottom left. remember that this is a single group out of many, so we actually have hundreds of out of place fossils.

so fossils dont support whale evolution.

2. we can find “transitional forms” in designed objects too. for instance a jeep is a “transitional” between a car and a truck. but of course that they didnt evolved from a common descent. the same is true for whale fossils.