Code as an Analogy of DNA?


(Dale Cutler) #262

Do you understand the philosophical presuppositions of scientism? …and how they influence scientific conclusions?

(S. Joshua Swamidass) #263

I’m a Christian that believes God created all things and that He raised this man Jesus from the dead. Do you think I’m falling prey to scientism?

(Timothy Horton) #264

I understand people who don’t understand how scientific conclusions are reached sure complain about “scientism” a lot. :slightly_smiling_face:

(Dale Cutler) #265

Not at all, or mostly not. But some of the things that @Timothy_Horton and others were saying made it clear that they were drawing conclusions that were not scientific.

(Timothy Horton) #266

Or that you just didn’t understand the science the rest of us were discussing.

(Dale Cutler) #267

Feel free to think that.

(S. Joshua Swamidass) #268

Thank you for clarifying. It might be worth exploring why my confession does not unsettle scientist. I agree with you ultimately that God created us, but I don’t see value in bad arguments in service if that truth. Not putting forward a bad argument, scientists don’t have a problem with it.

(Timothy Horton) #269

We can only go by what you demonstrate, and by what you don’t.

(Dale Cutler) #270

But you cannot say scientifically that there was/is no Creator/Coder/Template Designer.

(Dale Cutler) #271

You are quite evidently capable of being in error.

(Timothy Horton) #272

We can’t say scientifically there are no gravity fairies or invisible pixies making flowers grow either. But since there is zero positive evidence for those things we don’t include them in scientific discussions.

(S. Joshua Swamidass) #273

If I had a good argument for it I could. Why not? I get zero leeway for making a bad argument. Right now according to how science works, you can’t answer the question either way. Most the scientific arguments against God are as bad as those for Him.

(Dale Cutler) #274

You could try.

(Timothy Horton) #275

Of course I can be in error. The difference between us is I admit it when it happens. :slightly_smiling_face:

(Dale Cutler) #276

Mostly what I have seen you do is sling insults, not demonstrate science.

(S. Joshua Swamidass) #277

I not only try, I succeed. Why would I pollute that with an obviously bad argument?

(Timothy Horton) #278

Stop looking at yourself in the mirror and projecting.

(Dale Cutler) #279

You wouldn’t, consciously, anyway. But we are talking hypotheticals.

(Dale Cutler) #280

You are making my point. Thank you.

(Timothy Horton) #281

You are making my point, Thank you.