Comments on Bill’s math class

But it’s not a model at all. If your point is that the patterns of gene distribution can’t be explained by any model we have shown, it doesn’t follow that your favorite notion is correct or even to be preferred. To do that you would need to show, at a minimum, that the pattern is to be expected as a consequence of your notion. This you can’t do because your notion has no consequences, at least none that you are willing to acknowledge.

And of course our model, common descent with branching, i.e. a tree, does explain the pattern quite well. As has been pointed out, your “waiting time” objection is both irrelevant, because the cause of fixation is not relevant to the pattern, and wrong, because it concerns particular events, not just whatever we happen to see.

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I have excluded gene duplication and divergence as a viable mechanism that explains the Howe pattern based on long fixation times given reasonable vertebrate populations.

What other explanations do you think are viable?

Fixation times are irrelevant to the pattern in question, so it is impossible for you to use them to exclude anything here.

You claimed to have done a reasonable search, and only came up with one candidate? I don’t think you’ve met your burden.

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How can a Graduate Student in Evolutionary Biology make a statement like this?

Because I understand the topic and you do not.

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And yet, despite your quixotic exclusion, genes continue to duplicate and vary.

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Now you are arguing from authority along with making a burden shift fallacy.

This shows a problem with the claims you are trying to defend. Could you possibly be mistaken?

Do they find new function when the vary or do they move to non function? How many functional mutations can get fixed in a population in a reasonable time?

You claimed waiting time fixation was relevant, demonstrate it. Hint: you can’t, because it isn’t.

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If you look at the Howe diagram and your claim is they all share a common ancestor then you are observing fixed changes to the 4 populations. John’s claim is those changes were caused by gene loss and gene gain.

Now if your model moves to separate origin events then indeed fixation is no longer an issue.

Notice that you did not explain the relevance of waiting time fixation rates in that. Try again.

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This is not what you asked. Now you’re moving the goal posts. Three strikes and your out :slight_smile: Need to break for the day.


Why are you lying?

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Just in case, look which of my comments Bill was replying to…
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Your post shows an obstacle to your ability to learn.

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Your tactic of accusing people of lying shows more weakness in you arguments. I would question the education you are getting.

Except that I actually demonstrated it with screenshots.

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We’ve reached the final phase of Bill’s usual flailing:

Wait until people forget last time
Make the same claim he can’t support
Complain when asked to support it
Lie about what was said
Complain when he gets called out for lying

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Learn what Rum? Your constantly exaggerated claims? This theory is currently limited to existing populations. Why do you need to make it more than what it is?

I think your future is in politics :slight_smile: