God, Genocide and Slavery

You seem to agree that morality cannot exist without a mind.
If God exists, everything arose from His mind. The purpose of creation emanates from Him. This includes your life’s purpose and mine. You and I exist because and for Him. Hence His morality is our standard.

You could choose to disagree with God. You could insist that your moral opinions are superior to God’s God’s judgements. You could reject God’s purpose for your life… In that case, you would have to sustain yourself and cause yourself to exist. In the christian understanding of things, this is not possible. So there is a moral obligation to fulfill Gods expectation.

Not quite. Morality is the product of human instinct and thought.

Sorry, but that just doesn’t follow.

I certainly insist that genocide is wrong, and that when God commits genocide he’s done something wrong. You disagree?

None of those sentences go together to make any sort of support for your conclusion, and they’re full of unsupported premises. Some of them are just plain incoherent. How would rejecting God’s purpose, whatever that may be, make me cause myself to exist? How is rejecting God’s purpose impossible, when you just said I could do it? How does any of that relate to a moral obligation?

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So human instinct and thought are not the product of a mind?
Why the "not quite?

They’re the product of human minds, plural, in a context of a whole society of humans. Not what you’re looking for.

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I have a few questions for you:

Dont you think that’s a definition of morality that doesnt work in a theistic scenario?

Aren’t you being inconsistent by judging God based on a concept of morality that is essentially atheistic?

Isn’t it disingenuous to keep citing euthyphro when your understanding of morality needs a community of people?

Do you think morality is possible for a triune self existent being such as the Christian God?
Can you imagine such a scenario?

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No.

No. And I reject the premise that this concept is atheistic, any more than chemistry is atheistic.

No.

Yes and yes. Of course that wouldn’t be an objective standard of morality either.

Incidentally, have you stopped molesting small rodents?

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Ok, I want to understand where you are coming from here.
How do you define morality which exists in God?

Didnt get you there.
I suppose you were trying to say something sarcastic/humorous.
Do you think such jokes could be a crime… or perhaps a sin? (No one understands them, and they are probably not funny).
:slight_smile:

Does it hurt when no one gets your humour?

I have no idea what that question means.

I’m trying to suggest that your “questions” were of that type.

Don’t confuse yourself with everyone.

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I presumed he was referring to the cliched question “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?”

But then, maybe I’m “no one.” :smirk:

Defective.

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Yet to claim your understanding of morality can apply to God and is not atheistic.

I have no idea what that statement means or how it’s a response to my post.

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I am not a native English speaker…

No, but you are not everyone either…

https://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

No, but you are not everyone either…

I never claimed that I was.

Did I claim you made such a claim?

What it means is that you are asking questions of the form “Aren’t you an idiot?”, questions that assume a particular answer and imply particular assertions to be true.

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I wasn’t doing that… I wanted to know what you actually thought because I felt we had different frames of reference.

Did I claim that you claimed that I was making a claim?

Did you claim that I claimed that you claimed that I was making a claim?

Etc, until the heat death of the universe. :smirk:

Sorry there was a typo…

I was pointing out that you could not define morality as something that applies to God… but still insist your understanding of morality is not “athiestic”.

Or I just grow up and choose to ignore you…
:slight_smile:

Thing with the internet is that the years seem to drop and we end up behaving like kids.