But isn’t it inconsistent with the omnibenevolence of God?
In some counterfactual world there is a TOS Star Trek episode where Kirk asks the Molinist Philosophy Computer, “What if God is counterfactual?”, and the computer explodes.
Why would it be?
Because punishing the entire world for the sin of two people is not a loving thing to do. Your child steals a cookie that you told him not to. Do you then whip out a gun and slaughter your entire family?
As usual, an Atheist is using an Atheist position to discuss the GAE. The GAE is not an atheist discussion.
yes it is.
That’s a mindbogglingly lame evasion.
Perhaps, but the objection he is addressing is moot already. I already addressed it directly in the book. It comes out next week. @patrick might have break down and buy his first book from a Christian publisher in probably decades.
I can’t as it goes against my sincerely held non-beliefs.
Don’t be silly. You love talking about the GAE (evidence this thread). At some point you have to read the book or you are gonna look ignorant. That would be sad!
I am certainly going to read the book. And talk about it. And support your efforts regarding the book.
But I am not going to have a penny of my wealth going to a Christian publisher. I’ll get a copy more subtly. For example, I will offer the first YEC turned atheist $100 for their used copy of the book. How’s that for being both charible and supportive.
If you think that it is an evasion, you have failed to understand the target audience of GAE.
GAE scenarios are designed to appeal to Creationists on the fence about Evolution. If it was designed to convince atheists, it wouldnt work at all with Creationists.
This is hilarious. I’ve been laughing now for 8 minutes, and my wife thinks I’m crazy.
Or you could, ya know, just go to the library.
You could be waiting a while.
We are hoping to transition YECs to Christian Evolutionists… not to Atheists.
Plants, animals, and planet earth are not people, so they aren’t being punished. Merely living in an imperfect world and having “bad things” happen doesn’t constitute punishment, as if we have a right to an Edenic existence that God can only take away if we first do wrong. I’m not seeing how your analogy is valid at all.
The bible is full of God killing livestock.
And I will be ready and waiting for those who miss the YEC to Christian Evolutionist stop and go all the way from YEC to Atheist Evolutionists.
And since animals are not moral agents, it isn’t punishment to kill them. Nor is it intrinsically evil (though wanton destruction of animal life would be a failing of our mandate to be good stewards of the earth).
It is immoral to kill a one’s livestock. Whole family’s will suffer, perhaps die including children. I find God of the OT to be an unjust killer when he kills livestock of those who don’t worship him. Such a petty vindictive God.