Faizal_Ali
(Faizal Ali)
April 11, 2021, 2:13pm
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Edgar:
Take our sun, for example: It is a gigantic nuclear fusion reactor, that just happened to arise by chance out of an explosion (the Big Bang). We humans, with all our intelligence and scientific knowledge, canât build a viable nuclear fusion reactor - but mindless nature can!
Exactly. If the most intelligent being of which we know cannot possible create a thing, it is irrational in the extreme to then conclude it was created by an intelligent being.
The conclusion is inescapable: The creative powers of matter, energy and natural laws far exceeds that of an intelligent being, when the former have billions of years and an entire universe at their disposal, and the latter only a few decades and a single, tiny planet.
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With a will help from Google, âOmnia latine meliora sonos.â
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scd
April 11, 2021, 4:24pm
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Rumraket:
There is no such thing as âa motorâ, there are different motors, some of which âlook designedâ by humans, and some of which do not look designed at all.
so some motors dont look designed? its like saying that some cars dont look designed.
no we dont. even evolutionists (such as Nicholas Matzke, which suppose to be expert in that topic) reject that paper:
Metal mousetrap parts Okay, so one day a guy walks up to you and says irreducible complexity is no problem for a random, Darwinian-like evolutionary process. In fact, he can explain how a mousetrapâŚ
Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 11, 2021, 4:26pm
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No, because some motors are evolved, and yet all known cars were designed. So itâs not like that.
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Tim
April 11, 2021, 4:33pm
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Yes. Yet another bad analogy.
Frank_robert
(Retired Psychologist)
April 11, 2021, 8:29pm
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I am not surprised that scientists disagree but I would be highly surprised if Evolution News didnât disagree. Isnât Matzke a geographer?
A fourteen year old Evolution News article seems rather dated for such a topic, to say the least.
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Nick Matzke? Heâs an evolutionary biologist. Perhaps you were thinking of a different Matzke.
scd
April 12, 2021, 12:14pm
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you believe that some motors could have evolved.
how do you know that? maybe some cars can evolve naturally? (as some motoros can evolve naturally according to you).
Frank_robert
(Retired Psychologist)
April 12, 2021, 12:54pm
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Living organisms are inherently complex yet we know they evolve.
Car motors are also complex and we know they are manufactured by humans and robots.
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Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 12, 2021, 3:10pm
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Living things evolve.
scd:
how do you know that?
Youâre welcome to go visit the car factories.
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Mercer
(John Mercer)
April 12, 2021, 3:24pm
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The glass VW factory in Dresden is very coolâŚ
Tim
April 12, 2021, 3:30pm
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Would you even need to do this? Would seeing the VW brand on the front of the car, and knowledge of the history of Volkswagon be enough evidence?
Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 12, 2021, 3:32pm
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Sure, we donât have to do that. We can make a totally straightforward inference from recorded history.
scd
April 12, 2021, 3:47pm
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how do you know that?
Rumraket:
Living things evolve.
assumption again.
i can also show you how people design genomes in the lab, so according to this criteria genomes are also the product of design.
Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 12, 2021, 3:53pm
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scd:
assumption again.
Demonstrable fact. Again.
The genomes they design, yes. Genomes they donât design, no.
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Tim
April 12, 2021, 3:57pm
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LTEE anybody?
Shhh. The idea that there are both man-made and naturally-occurring caves would probably blow his mind. And that would leave a mess â albeit a small one.
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scd:
how do you know that?
Frankly, because Iâm not a complete idiot.
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Tim
April 12, 2021, 4:17pm
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I sometimes think that this is at times a grossly unfair advantage on this forum.
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scd
April 12, 2021, 6:34pm
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then prove me that the flagellum evolved. it should be very easy. thanks.
since there is no evidence for undesigned genome, this isnt true.