Fascinating! This is new to me. I was not aware of Cahokia, but you’re right, an apparent anomaly. This definitely appears to be pre-Columbian people that show all the tell-tale signs of free will. From my initial inspection it would seem the Maya from South America came through here. And like the Olmecs, who the Maya come from, there’s evidence to suggest contact with Chinese culture …
Romans 8:19-21.
Can you tell me now why you thinks crows are nt making a free choice when they decide to build a nest on a particular tree?
Romans 8:20 - For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
It would seem it’s not saying creation was corrupt initially, but that the corruption it is talking about was done TO it. The corruption was brought by the will of “the one who subjected it” … Adam
A free choice in this case would be choices not typically made by a crow. Choosing trees and building nests are typical behaviors of all crows. It’s instinct. Which tree chosen is also instinctual. Like in the case of humanity, the appearance of free will came with it a dramatic divergence from what was typical for the species up to that point. As long as crows continue picking trees and building nests in it, I’d say that’s not a free choice. That’s a programmed behavior set by generations of evolution. A free choice would result in ‘un-crow-like’ behavior. Behavior outside of the typical genetically programmed behavior.
No, you have it all wrong. The Chinese never came to America. It was the 12 lost tribes of Israel. This was all recorded on a set of golden plates found in upstate New York. I’m surprised you haven’t heard of them.
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Sounds like the Joseph Smith mormon story. No, I haven’t heard of them.
I love how you can contradict yourself in only two sentences. You haven’t heard of the golden plates, yet you know the Mormon story.
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So this is talking about the same golden plates? I was kidding.
Yes, so was I. My point is that you will believe anything you see on the internet as long as it supports your thesis. So why don’t you believe the golden plates?
Did the Israeli tribes swing through Shang Dynasty era China and pick up a knife by any chance?
The only knowledge I had of the golden plates were through the Joseph Smith story. And that story in itself doesn’t do much to add any credence to these golden plates.
So, what is it that I found on the internet that I believed that isn’t true?
Has the “Chinese votive sword” been published in a real archeological journal, or just on a dubious web site? If not, why not?
Yeah, that’s from my ‘initial inspection’. Haven’t vetted it. But, what led me to that were a couple of key things about the Cahokia sites. One, their primary crops, maize/beans/squash, were brought up from South America. Two, the largest mound at the site is said to be the largest of it’s kind north of Mexico. This is what prompted me to start looking for ties with the Olmec/Aztec/Mayan people for a possible origin. Then I found that knife.
I’ve found that the closer your thesis is to the truth, the more likely you’re going to find stuff on the internet that supports it. I just look for evidence based on predictions made through the framework hypothesis. This hypothesis has a strong prediction track record.
Then I’ve got a thesis that the planet Venus flew out of Jupiter a few thousand years ago, that Lizard-men are controlling the government, that the Apollo project was a hoax, and that the afore-mentioned golden plates were translated into a book that told the true history of North America. Guess what! I found confirmation for all of that on the internet! It must all be true!
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Yeah, my approach is to then take it to a group of really smart people who have the best chance of actually knowing what they’re talking about and ask them to pick it apart. I’ve been called a lot of things and accused of a lot of things in the process, but 10 years on and it still stands. Can’t say the same for my self-esteem.
What does happen most times, as is the case in this thread very recently, I learn more that further supports it. Just today …
- Cahokia
- Romans 8:20 - For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice , but by the will of the one who subjected it , in hope
That verse basically says what I’ve been trying to say all along. I’ve read through Romans more times than I can remember, but never once, apparently, caught that.
But hey, there’s a lot of people I generally think of as smart and reasonable that buy into that Joseph Smith story too. It sounds ridiculous to me, but I sound ridiculous to you, so what do I know?
No one knows to what extent any organisms behavior is “programmed” by genetics.
I could just claim that all human behavior is also Genetically programmed. Its a claim that is very hard to prove.
Well, we do know a lot about this…
can you be a little less cryptic w.r.t your reply?
What’s the point of leaving people guessing as to what exactly you mean?
There has been quite a bit of scientific work that untangles how much of the behaviors we see are tied to genetics vs. environment. We know much more about this than your comments let on.
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