So? How does that result in a translucent atmosphere?
âGenesis says nothing about the atmosphere at all, whether opaque, transparent, or translucent.â
No, that made no sense. The fact that Genesis says nothing about that atmosphere isnât from our modern understanding, itâs from a straight reading of the text. And the text says God created the sun, moon, and stars on day 4. If he had wanted us to know that they just became visible on that day, he would have said so. He would have said something like âthe clouds cleared up on the 4th day, and you could see all those lightsâ.
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Hayashi C, Nakazawa K, Mizuno H 1979. Earthâs melting due to the blanketing effect of the primordial dense atmosphere. Earth Planet Sci Lett 43: 22â28 [Google Scholar] - Earthâs Earliest Atmospheres - PMC
You understand that carbon dioxide is not a component of a reducing atmosphere, right? You should also understand that the earth is currently thought to have begun not with a reducing atmosphere but with a neutral atmosphere. Itâs good that you keep telling me you arenât an expert; this I believe. But you should stop talking as if you know stuff.
Itâs all good clean fun⌠your instincts are excellent⌠nothing to really concentrate on ⌠itâs all gobbily-gook.
The important thing to remember about the Framework Theory is that it allows a good person to say: Genesis 1 isnât about anything historical⌠itâs just a Framework!
And then you can move to the easy stuff, like what exactly we are supposed to say when we are in line at the White Throne judgment at the End of DaysâŚ
Good try. But this is a hypothesized state long before there was plant life or even life at all. Note that Genesis refers solely to angiosperms, Late Jurassic at the earliest, and moreover the earliest plants, being as charitable as possible to you here, were not until the Silurian.
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I wonder what its like to be a heretic in the view of science and a heretic in the view of religion?
Finding context to put the words into comes from modern understanding.
For instance, we can determine that between the debut of land and the debut of plants what happened during that period. Plants evolved to âbreatheâ CO2 because there was an abundance of it when they evolved.
And right between those two things is where it speaks of the sun/moon/stars. It turns out that there is something there that makes these lines very relevant. Two things actually as the continents shifted considerably during this time as well, which actually would âpositionâ the sun/moon/stars in the sky as described for an observer on the surface.
âIf he had wanted us to knowâŚâ Right. But clearly that wasnât what the intent was.
Because itâs speaking of things the audience would be familiar with.
If I didnât tell you what I think, you wouldnât have the opportunity to correct me, and I wouldnât learn anything.
Thereâs a method to my madness.
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Again, not an expert, but there were multiple states of the earthâs atmosphere. The really dense âreducingâ one was very early on. Thatâs the one that kept the Earthâs surface in darkness, and thatâs the one the oxidation event changed. That âfirmamentâ it talks about is also accurate as before oxygen the atmosphere came all the way down to the surface. There wasnât a transparent oxygen layer a few miles thick like there is now.
This is you pretending to know stuff again. Oops. Thought you were Jeremy there for a second, talking about me. But this is George talking about Jeremy. Why is he a heretic in religion?
Nope. Plants evolved long after the atmosphere had reached roughly its present composition. I think you have confused plants with cyanobacteria.
I think Iâll just leave that nonsense about Pangaea alone. Youâre welcome.
So youâre claiming that the audience would know nothing about ferns, moss, kelp, or pond scum?
Youâre not learning anything. Every time I try to teach you something, you just reassert your original claim.
You should stop saying that. You clearly think youâre an expert. Why else would you lecture me incorrectly on things you know nothing about? What follows that announcement is just a confirmation of your ignorance.
Also, you should know that a firmament is a solid dome, not an opaque layer of atmosphere. Why, an opaque atmosphere wouldnât even be able to separate the waters above from the waters below.
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You must not be a very good teacher.
Nonsense? Pangaea? This is long after Pangaea. During this period, as you can see, the majority of the Earthâs continental land mass was situated around the south pole. Moving back up to between the poles afterward. While still the Pangaea supercontinent, the land masses were still between the poles before they moved south.
Thatâs how the audience at the time understood it, yes. But separating water above from below makes a lot more sense to us now than it did them then as this is the same period when the Earthâs water cycle was established.
Can you translate this for me? Iâm not quite sure exactly what youâre saying here. Are you saying that thanks to particular continental drift and observer on the surface of the earth could see the sun moon and stars now? But they couldnât before the continents moved enough?
The rise and fall of concordism already happened.
I have no idea what you think youâre talking about, and you have none either.
No it doesnât. Youâre making up a meaning to suit your needs. Itâs not actually there. This is growing increasingly absurd.
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During that period there were two things that happened in Earthâs history that are relevant to the âday 4â portion of the text. First, the atmosphere changing from translucent to transparent, allowing sun/moon/stars to become visible.
The other, the movement of the continents, positioned the sun/moon/stars in the sky as described.
While land was situated around the pole, as Iâm sure you know, the sun would just revolve around the horizon, if it ever came up at all. With the continents between the poles they were âpositionedâ to an observer on those continents.
Yeah, not a good teacher. Probably because I have to wade through all the insults first. They can be distracting⌠and hurtful.
Whatâs not there? The water cycle? This oneâs actually pretty straight forward. The beginning says thereâs a âdeepâ (ocean), then God says âLet there be lightâ. Oceans and sunlight, you then get water above/below. And itâs described in that order. See, insightful, isnât it?