Native Creationists - How has creationism changed? (Wood v. Duff/MacMillan)

[RonSewell (RonS)]

@BenKissling

You haven’t demonstrated that you understand the CPT model and how it explains the layers.

Then explain it to me. How did the stegosaurus’s and elephants become segregated?

[Roy (30-year veteran)]

@BenKissling

The Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model suggests that the six Sloss megasequences are stages of flooding where the waters rose up, often with tsunamis attached, and then receded a bit and rose again higher, deluging different ecological systems at different altitudes.

You haven’t demonstrated that you understand the CPT model and how it explains the layers. So I have no idea which explanations you refer to as “painfully ad-hoc” or why.

Perhaps that’s because it doesn’t explain the layers. The source you linked to doesn’t even mention Sloss megasequences, let alone explain them.

P.S. The idea that the waters rose up three times without getting any higher is remarkable.

[faded_Glory]

Where did the waters recede to?

[David_MacMillan]

@RonSewell

if the all the creatures that ever lived did so at the same time as Noah’s flood, they would have died together. There is no mechanism for separating and stratifying the remains which measures up to the least degree of common sense let alone a rigorously scientific description.

Not even to mention the fact that the sheer number of organisms that would have to be simultaneously alive in order to produce all the fossils in the fossil record would completely cover the planet in a layer of writhing bodies. I believe the estimate is a biosphere something like fifty times greater than what we have today.

[T_aquaticus]

@David_MacMillan

Not even to mention the fact that the sheer number of organisms that would have to be simultaneously alive in order to produce all the fossils in the fossil record would completely cover the planet in a layer of writhing bodies.

Found a copy of the Glenn Morton article on this topic:

If this claim is true, that the fossil record represents the remains of a single prediluvial world, then there should not be enough fossils to overcrowd the world. Most animals would be destroyed in the Flood, not preserved. Thus if the geologic column consists of one single biosphere which was destroyed in one year, there should be very few fossils and certainly not enough of them to fill up today’s earth. But this isn’t what we see. What we see are too many animals, which means that we have buried in the geologic column more than one biosphere.

Whitcomb and Morris cite with approval a paleontologist who estimates that the Karroo Formation of southern Africa is believed to contain 800 billion fossil vertebrates with an average size of the fox.38 There are 126 billion acres on the surface of the earth. Only 30 percent of this area is land, giving a land area of 38 billion acres. If 800 billion animals were spread over the 38 billion available acres, there would be 21 animals with an average size of a fox, per acre, from this deposit alone. This does not include all the vertebrate fossil deposits throughout the rest of the world. Assuming that the Karroo beds are only 1% of the fossil vertebrates in the world (the Karroo beds occupy much less than 1% of the sedimentary column) means that 2100 animals per acre occupied the preflood world. Since an acre is 4840 square yards, each animal would have only 2 square yards, or 18 square feet, of territory. That is an area only 4.2 wide by 4.2 feet long. This can be put in a setting that most Americans can understand. The average house lot is about a quarter acre. Can you imagine every house in your neighborhood surrounded by 525 hungry animals the size of a fox? I, for one, would not venture out of doors. Obviously this is far too many animals. [I don’t believe Morris’ numbers but if they are right, then this is the consequence–grm]
Geology and Young Earth Creationism: Too Many Fossils for a Global Flood

[David_MacMillan]

Joel Duff has a few articles narrowing in on some very specific aspects of this:

Quadrillions, Quintillions and Beyond: The Vast Fossil Record Refutes the...