Exactly as expected you can find no example of someone saying " Behe explicitly said intelligent design requires miraculous interventions into the natural order."
You made it up. Now you’re squirming to try and get that foot out of your mouth. A real trained scholar wouldn’t stoop to such disingenuous rhetorical tricks in the first place.
Does he say that the “intelligent guidance” must take the form of “intervention” or “miracles”? Or are his words compatible with guidance set up at the beginning?
And you’re still using inference, because Behe has not made a statement here, but is merely raising a question. (“… the question we are discussing … is whether …”) You’re inferring, from the way he words his question, what he thinks.
No one here has yet produced a direct and unambiguous statement. Behe has written tens of thousands of words on ID, and appeared on hundreds of podcasts and radio programs, and no one can produce a direct and unambiguous statement asserting that intervention would be necessary, yet everyone here insists that Behe deems it necessary. Very curious, don’t you think? Wouldn’t you think that in all that writing and talking, that, if Behe deemed intervention necessary, he would have clearly said so at least once? Without leaving the reader to have to infer it?
I didn’t write “Behe explicitly said intelligent design requires miraculous interventions into the natural order.” like you falsely claimed was said on this site.
True, they are implementations, but that does not rule out the possibility that those processes were pre-loaded at the beginning. That is, it doesn’t prove that he rejects front-loading in favor of intervention.
Perhaps it may help you if I give you a link – which others here have already been given – to a statement of Behe that directly bears on this question:
I made no false claim. I offered a summary of the discussion, and stated openly that it was not a direct quotation. But I am now dropping that summary, not because it was inaccurate (it wasn’t), but because you contested the phrase “ID requires”; since I can’t find that phrase, then, even though it was implied by several people, I’m dropping it. I’m only going to hold people responsible for what they claimed, not what they implied.
And now that I’ve dealt with your delaying side-question, please answer my two questions. (If you come back again to quarrel about what I just wrote above, when I’m no longer insisting on my original summary, then you’re not arguing in good faith, and I’m done with you.)
As I predicted, you won’t answer the two straightforward questions about what you said, and whether you still hold to it. This is intellectual cowardice of the highest order. Not only is it cowardly, it loses you the debate, by default. You can’t walk out of the ring in the ninth round and declare even a tie, let alone a win. If you walk out of the ring, you lose the bout.
Well, Faizal, as you can see, Tim refuses to either retract his original statement about Behe, or defend it. I will repeat his statement, and you can take up its defense if you wish:
I’ve already supported this with statements directly from Behe’s books. Other posters supplied more support . The Trained Scholar went “NUH-UH” and ignored all of them.
Feel free to waste time rehashing this with him just because he can’t be wrong about anything. Ever.
Anyone familiar with the Kitzmiller transcripts could have found these easily, as could anyone who knows how to use a search engine. Here’s a link for you.
It is. If irreducibly complex features can’t evolve, then they equally can’t be the result of front-loading, so intervention is necessary in the lineage from single-celled forms to creatures with a complex brain.