Shroud of Turin redivivus - Not following where the evidence leads

Your refusal to answer my question (“Do I?”) about biochemistry expertise perfectly validates my statement:

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I posted his resume which to me answered a question about his background.

I think it may be worse than this. From Fanti’s paper:

(Figure 3 – “Common Blood Sample”)

(Figure 4 – Shroud “blood crust”)

It would appear that it is not just the Nitrogen levels that are different – everything is different. A more rational hypothesis would appear to be that the second sample quite simply isn’t blood.

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Then you reject the claims of the paper you just cited. You really don’t understand enough to see the contradiction?

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Why don’t you explain where you see a contradiction.

Ork! Ork! Ork!

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Kinda looks like some kind of pigment suspended in some kind of fat or oil.


I’m going to need to have it explained to me how “blood crust” can be ~42% gold by weight.

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! would suggest it is mostly inorganic contaminants – gold, copper, aluminum, calcium and silicon – and iron and chlorine in excess of the “common blood sample” (are any of these commonly used as or found in medieval pigments?). The carbon and oxygen could be from “some kind of fat or oil” – but could equally be a combination of charred organic matter (essentially charcoal) and oxides of the metals present.

The gold is almost certainly flaked off some gilding – most probably from some ornate container for the shroud.

And if the blood of ancient Jews was 42% gold – why weren’t the Romans smelting down their corpses for it? :wink:

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We are now in the timeline where Bill Cole believes the blood of Christ is half part gold.

Is this timeline any balmier than the one in which Bill believes in spontaneous neutron bursts?

This thread completely “jumped the shark” not too long after it began.

Now will you please give me a minute so that I can check the hydroponic lettuce I just bought from the supermarket for neutron radiation? :face_with_spiral_eyes:

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I pointed out that you hypocritically only tout the backgrounds (often irrelevant to the matter at hand) of those with whom you agree. You ignore the credentials of those with whom you do not agree; for example, me.

Then you went and did exactly that.

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Hi Bill.

How is “his background” even remotely relevant to the claims he is making?

Is “his background” in Nuclear Physics or Biochemistry?

If not, then how is it relevant?

This is work you appealed to. You are losing track of your alibi.

A question, yes. But not the one posed. The question you were asked was whether the author had credentials in the field of biochemistry. The answer to that is not a listing of any of his credentials outside of it. The answer to that is either ‘yes’, or ‘no’, and everybody reading along pretty much knows which one is correct. Everybody reading along also knows exactly why you got all shy about it and replied with a copy-&-paste of his resume instead: It’s because of what is the correct answer to the question that immediately followed.

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That’s a lot of gold.

Yes. Gold leaf was used for illuminated manuscripts. Iron ochre was used in paint. I vaguely recall that copper oxide was too. And calcium is found in chalk.

You expect otherwise of the blood of Jesus? Of course this is evidence that the Shroud was wrapped around the body of a transcendent being. What more proof do we need of its authenticity?

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So… paint?

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