No, this is silly, I’m claiming naturalism is false! It’s an incorrect description of our universe, and in particular, of our brains and thinking and reasoning.
I agree that people with mental illness can for example, know perfectly well how to get to the kitchen, I’ve said this repeatedly. But this is a different topic.
But you didn’t bother to read what I quoted in your comments, or show how I misread them?! Here is again what you said:
Irrational thoughts! That might be part of a condition. Exactly, clearly you must mean a mental illness can cause irrational / unreasoning thoughts and conclusions. Otherwise, why would a psychiatrist ever give a pill to correct brain chemistry? Why not just try and discuss with them? You need to abandon this claim that psychiatrists never consider that a client may have a condition may be what is causing illogical, incorrect thinking. Unreasoning thinking, in the phrase I have been using.
I wish you would ask me what am arguing for, instead of telling what my view is. No, this is not my view, I don’t claim that an unreasoning cause must be a purely physical process undesigned by God, there might be other factors, such as people getting into an illogical rut of thinking, racism comes to mind.
Well, you also must make a distinction between rational thought and irrational thought, such as is found in mental illness, correct? You consider sane people to be real agents, correct? Whom you can take to court and assign to them real responsibility for crimes. And so on. My whole argument has been that people recognize such distinctions, and they go directly against the view of the enlightened materialists, who claim everything, including our thoughts, can be explained by the motion of atoms. This will not get you a “get out of jail free” card in court. This is not, emphatically is not something psychiatrists make no distinction about when they consider a client’s thinking and conclusions. They mean something by irrational thinking, or causes for thoughts, we almost all do. They don’t dump everything into the bag of “unreasoning causes”, including all thoughts. Though some do this, actually, but they are the exception.
I think the confusion is yours, you waffle back and forth between distinguishing between rational and irrational thoughts, and unreasoning causes causing every thought. When the dictionary says: “unreasoning: not moderated or controlled by reason”. Yes, that’s exactly it! You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too, calling all thoughts due to unreasoning causes, “not controlled by reason” according to the dictionary, and then also insisting on rational thoughts, on reasoning thoughts.