Valerie: Questions about TMR4A

Many can attest here - I don’t take many interpretations of anything based on trust :sweat_smile: I check multiple sources and it has to fit my worldview. If it doesn’t, you better come up with a heck of a good argument. :slight_smile: I think orthodoxy is often created in the church by opposing error, and can be a minority position often. I think there’s a lot of evidence the church can oppose one error and fall into another.

Did you discuss this passage from Irenaeus in your book?

I agree that God created and it was very good. But I also believe it quite clear just from Jesus’ miracles of healing alone that we are to see all disease and death as the result of sin and evil. So along with many other passages in the Bible, I interpret the science in light of that.

Mark 5

And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, 26 and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. 27 She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. 28 For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” 29 And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. 30 And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?” 31 And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, ‘Who touched me?’” 32 And he looked around to see who had done it. 33 But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. 34 And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

Acts 3

Men of Israel, why do you wonder at this, or why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we have made him walk? 13 The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[b] Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him. 14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses. 16 And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus[c] has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

17 “And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, 20 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

I’ve already explained earlier in the thread how I don’t take them as king’s list but something different.

The flood was around 2500 B.C. Y-chromosome studies have already verified this. Sumer was the first evidence of organized civilization after it.

That’s really neat. I’d interpret them as flood and post-flood layers. And the pre-city cultures as post-flood as well, probably overlapping with Akkadian in terms of time frame. Specificity may make it fun to discuss.