Were there carnivores before the Fall?

I wasn’t aware that I was trying to get anywhere by excluding chapter and verses. I was just trying to engage with this:

But if you are talking about a NEW area then it would work exactly the wrong way to for AllenWitmerMilller wouldn’t it? For it would be the herbivorous creatures that are outside “in the wilderness which typifies the rest of creation” - since that is in Genesis 1, and it will have to be the carnivorous ones inside the “specially-planted garden reserve”, or the “NEW area”, as you put it which is Genesis 2.