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May 18, 2019, 4:23am
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PdotdQ:
As close to 100% as is possible in the sciences. It’s baked into the uncertainty principle, which is at the heart of quantum mechanics. If it turns out that the conservation of energy is always preserved at the quantum scale, then all of quantum mechanics comes tumbling down.
I was about to answer this way, but was beat by the astrophysicist!
Even in GR the conservation of energy is not absolute: I.e. to start:https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/
Jim:
What I’ve stated is that from all confirmed empirical evidence and from other evidence that we do understand, like BGV in the context of classical GR that says that in the past direction physical reality heads towards a boundary point, it is warranted to infer a beginning to the universe. Can you demonstrate to me from evidence that is empirically confirmed and well understood that what I’m inferring is unwarranted?
@Jim
The BGV theorem applies to classical GR
The universe at the beginning was not classical
The BGV theorem is a useful guideline to where the classical description breaks down
Thus the BGV theorem is not as a great of apologetic for the Christian worldview as some apologists might like to imagine
And I would add in agreement with @PdotdQ , while Yahweh was the ultimate source of the universe… things like the BGV theorem aren’t part of this belief
For example, Dr. Hugh Ross dubiously (in light of this thread and my conclusion) uses this argument for Yahweh in particular. @PdotdQ , was I accurately understanding a Christian apologists/astrophsicsts use of the BGV theorem:
I think its a bad thing when one’s reading of the Bible causes one to read scientific papers poorly. One strange example could be from this video for example where Ross says :
“The first of these theorems, in fact I’ve got the theorem right here… The singularities of gravitational collapse and cosmology by Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose. And if you go to the last couple of paragraphs it says that ‘if mass exists and general relativity reliably predict cosmic dynamics, then space and time must be created by a Causal Agent who transcends space and time.’”
Here is a link to the paper: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.1970.0021
Perhaps one could point out where the paper actually says this… because it doesn’t.
Another example is when Ross reads a more recent paper by Borde, Guth and Vilenkin as seen here where Ross says:
‘It does end with a conclusion we can all understand which is the following: any universe that expands on average throughout its history has…
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