Why are We Disagreeing with ID?

[lee_merrill]

@Paul_King

@lee_merrill

But where did I say things that are undesigned cannot have unselected steps?

When you claimed that:

@lee_merrill

An irreducibly complex evolutionary pathway is one that contains one or more unselected steps (that is, one or more necessary-but-unselected mutations). The degree of irreducible complexity is the number of unselected steps in the pathway.”

was a “definition for design

I should have spoken clearer, design is implied when the number of unselected steps results in a probability of say, 1 in 10^40 (using Behe’s edge of evolution) or 1 in 10^150 (using Dembski’s universal probability bound).

@Paul_King

Surely you can see that having a full house is the outcome not the path travelled to get there.

Yes, but it’s not pointless to compute the probability of a path in some instances, such as evolution. If the path is improbable, then the result is improbable.