YEC and its critics: is there a way forward?

I consider this to be a tacit admission that the evidence supports standard geology and evolution. If the evidence really did favor YEC they would be able to put forth potential falsifications and they wouldn’t need to take such dogmatic positions.

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The scientific method is a process for developing faith. Faith is simply belief. How belief is obtained is a separate issue.

Internet forums are a destination for people who make oxymoronic statements.

What is your definition of faith?

Faith, in the context we are using it, is a belief held in the absence of evidence. Faith is not defined as accepting basic axioms, such as reality being real.

No Bill. Science is a process for replacing mere faith with empirically measured and verified reality.

How have you determined there is an absence of evidence?

You convinced us since every time we asked for your positive scientific evidence for ID-Creationism you drew a blank.

By the inability to present positive supporting evidence on the part of those who profess belief.

All you have is assertion?

I have observations of YEC’s who are incapable of putting forth valid positive evidence for their claims.

We have all the evidence of science-free posts by ID-Creationists like you. :slightly_smiling_face:

Again this is an assertion. Is it possible you don’t understand their evidence? I am not a YEC advocate but non the less I cannot rule it out. Do you realize your cognitive bias has a very big filter?

No it isn’t. It’s an empirically observed fact no ID-Creationist has ever produced even a single piece of positive evidence for their claims.

If you claim differently, produce some of that positive evidence here. You won’t of course because you can’t.

Science can and has ruled it out.

We have a court finding in Kitzmiller v. Dover to that effect.

No, it is not.

That’s your personal ignorance. People who know biology, geology, physics, etc. are able to rule it out.

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I have heard YEC’s plainly state that they believe YEC because that is what the Bible commands them to do. I have also heard them state that no scientific evidence will change their mind. That is faith.

Not without assumptions.

What assumptions Bill, and why are they incorrect?

I do not disagree that people can reason poorly. The Bible is an amazing document but I don’t think it is without story and metaphor. This is where I think the YEC guys are confused.

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