Affirming 6×24‑hour days, using asah to support Gen 1:1 as the creation event

What does this actually mean? What if anything, physically, happens to the sun and moon during day 4? Or is it just God saying, “You just keep doing what you’re doing”?

That would be a problem in a discussion of science, but the intent here is a discussion of scripture and belief. We don’t get too much of this any more, but it is also part of the mission of Peaceful Science to have these discussions.

On another day, @jeffb and I might be happily arguing over science. :slight_smile: @reichmaj is also new here and his position isn’t entirely clear to me yet; he seems to be pursuing a different sort of theological claim I have not seen elsewhere. He also hasn’t made any scientific claims, which is interesting in itself!

This isn’t Facebook, or at least it’s not supposed to be. The idea is to find Common Ground for understanding and build from there. We fail at that a lot, but we also have our successes.

Ok, I wasn’t sure if “metaphor” was proper here or not. Thanks for the clarification.

So I’m having a little trouble following this. This seems to describe the historical narrative much like YECs would describe it.

Earlier you said this:

I thought I followed that statement, but now I’m not so sure. That’s why I thought perhaps “metaphor” applied to here, in order to avoid the challenges of 6-days of physical formation from a full water-world, to continents full of plants and animals.

Wouldn’t this explanation grant this model the apparent same challenges YEC face in merging the text with modern secular scientific consensus (notice my specific identification there, and not just “science”)?

Really, just trying to understand this model better. I’m new to this one…

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Agreed on all that!

It is good to have both @reichmaj and @ebg here. I was choosing to avoid @ebg 's topic mostly because that’s an old (and invalid) argument (how could you have 24 hours before the sun?), and I wanted to stay on topic with Jeff (the other Jeff :slight_smile: ).

I think that part of the complication is the view that “to create” implies a material creation as if like manufacturing.

But things can be created in a number of ways. For example, humanity is created in the image of God. Not merely created in a material sense, but created in a positional sense.

If you have a King (God) and Heaven and Earth are the Kings temple, and the inhabitants of the temple are assigned roles…

You could imagine how the sun and the moon might be created to do something (to rule the day and the night) much like a football player is chosen or created to be a quarterback of a team. And that’s not necessarily a matter of ex nihilo creation. Rather it’s about anointing or appointing, or choosing, or assigning etc.

Heaven and Earth is the Lord’s temple.

Isaiah 66:1-2

1 Thus says the Lord: Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the [temple] that you would build for me, and what is my resting place [consider the 7th day]?
2 All these things my hand has made, and so all these things are mine, says the Lord…

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