Ark of Noah and Ark of the Covenant. Related Words?

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What is humility?

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Yes, let’s see if we are talking about the same thing.

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Actually, respect works, too. The judicial system demands respect. So does God.

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Why does God demand respect? Is the question unclear?

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Late to this game, and it is fun indeed. I would say that demands might be problematic here. I think that I understand where Dale is coming from. I don’t believe that God, operationally, requires humility. I think that positionally he does, though. This is especially so for Christians who believe that God spoke the universe into being and is transcendent. We literally cannot fathom an intelligence that spoke this into being. We cannot comprehend dimensions beyond our own. For this reason, we are to be humble, positionally, because God is literally beyond us physically, mentally, and spiritually.

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Can you recall the answers for why he demands humility? They’re the same.

That’s a good distinction. The verses about humility are more about him rewarding it than demanding it, and his despising pride and its rebellion.

Last night my wife asked what the discussion was about, and I replied, “The question ‘Does God demand humility?’” She said that knowing who God is obviates the question.

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I don’t understand what “positionally” means, and this seems more of a reason we ought, logically, to be humble than a reason God would demand humility from us. Why does God care whether we are humble or not?

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You never answered that question, though you clearly believe you did. That’s the problem here.

Sadly, that’s not what the discussion is about. You have misinformed your wife.

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Note the boldface font. You just fail to recognize the answer when you see it. Connect the dots.

It was your question back in post 34. The discussion has not been about the OP since before that, has it. The discussion was about that question when my wife asked. You misinform yourself.

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I did even before what I just cited above.

Just because you don’t recognize God’s authority does not mean that that is not the answer to the question. Just because you don’t recognize the existence of God makes all your questions moot and silly. I think they are disingenuous and not honest questions, because you know you will deny any answers anyway and all you are looking for is an adjective deleted Ü “Gotcha!”

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Yes, exactly. We are agreed that you think you answered the question, but you didn’t.

I’ll explain. Legitimate authority doesn’t demand humility because it’s legitimate. If that were so, illegitimate authorities wouldn’t demand humility. Yet in my experience, they demand humility much more consistently and much more severely than legitimate authorities do. That’s because authorities, legitimate or otherwise, need humility (or respect, or at leas tthe appearance of respect) precisely for the purpose of reinforcing their authority. Authority comes from the willingness of the governed to accept that authority, and humility encourages acceptance. But why should God need that? He can’t possibly lose his authority. So your “explanation” was neither correct in regard to human authorities nor applicable to the case of God.

I will agree that an imaginary being deserved no humility and demands none. But we can still discuss whether a hypothetically real God would have good reason to deserve and demand humility. Which is what we’re supposedly doing.

And I see that once more you have accused me of dishonesty. Isn’t that even against the rules here?

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You just contradicted yourself.

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I said "I think they are disingenuous… " That is not the same as “They are…” An opinion is not the same as an accusation.

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Thank you for your tacit acknowledgment about what subject was under discussion.

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You skipped the part in boldface, misrepresenting my argument.

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Are they just pretending to demand humility? Or are those citations those of an illegitimate government? (Per @Michael_Callen, I would have no trouble if we said respect, versus humility.)

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I feared that might be unclear, but I couldn’t think of a quick way to fix it. I mean that the fact that legitimate authority is legitimate is not the reason it demands humility. Is that clearer?

Now that’s some fine sophistry.

You mistake that too.

I don’t know how that changes the meaning.

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I’m sure you are absolutely correct in all your thinking.

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Passive-aggressive is an annoying and unproductive approach.

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Try and elaborate.