Daniel, you are making good points. I am also a “layman”, and I would say these guys have a very difficult time, bringing the knowledge down from the top shelf (it’s like Computer Geeks talking in “code” language!) Simple answers are are good place to start, and usually better in all areas of life. That been said, there is value in trying to pick up what is being said. I also agree, totally, that debates are extremely valuable. In Proverbs it says… “the First to present in Court sounds Right, then the cross-examination begins”. @swamidass Josh has the guts to at least engage, respectfully, and that is very Rare. I don’t know if you are relying on your Intuition, but if you are I would Encourage you in that endevor. I would say it is Clear, that all/most of these “things” were Designed (and Evolution had nothing to do with it), you will be Fully Challenged here on your Intuition/CommonSence/ClearlySeen opinion. The Behe/Swamidass 2nd, 90 min video, pushed me even further to the Design side of the spectrum!