David MacMillan: Ham's Ark Embraces Evolution

Ham has had his nonsense corrected a hundred times over in the last decades and still keeps pushing the same misrepresentations and outright lies about evolutionary science. Those aren’t the actions of an honest man.

But from Ham’s point or view, it’s excellent business strategy.

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A very effective lying con man is still a lying con man. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I agree that creationism grows increasingly less viable and fewer and fewer students accept it.

Doesn’t mean it should be presented as even remote possibility as part of public education.

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@David_MacMillan Great to have an Ex-YEC Law student here at PS. We talk about Church/state separation issues a lot here. Are you aware of the legal work of FFRF.org? Andrew Siedel is one of their bright young star Constitutional Attorneys. Would be a great place to go for an internship if you like the Church/State Separation area of the US Constitution.

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Another win for 1st Amendment

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I think you’re both right at some level. I think Ham genuinely believes in a YEC interpretation of the bible, but I also think he has to know that at least some of the arguments he trots out to support YECism are false. Sort of a “it’s OK as long as I’m lying for a good cause” mentality.

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I think this is not necessarily lying. It is equivalent to simplyfying. @T_aquaticus often says that life falls into nested classes. This is false. Life falls into imperfectly nested clades. @T_aquaticus knows this too. Is he lying? No. He is over simplifying.

I do think this is oversimplification and do not advised it, however, is not really fair to call it lying.

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Always worth quoting:

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Very few of the false arguments Ham endorses that I’m thinking of could be chalked up to “simplifying”.

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I have encountered a few who when confronted with an obvious falsehood will claim that lying in defense of the Bible is not a sin. That’s not a quote, but my recollection of what was said. There was one I caught making stuff up as he went along, and he admitted to it.

I don’t think this happens a lot, but it’s hard to really know.

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Ken Ham responds to canceled trip:

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