Agreed.
I thought we didn’t have to believe science.
Doug Axe has already disproved evolution, and he got kicked out of his lab by the exact sort of people who populate this board.
There are times when this board really badly needs the function to post a “ROTFLMAO” emoji.
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:rofl:
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LMAO.
Both statements are known to be false.
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Not exactly a plausible claim - especially not coming from someone with a record of posting falsehoods.
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You can argue with Ella Al-Shamahi all you want, but she’s not here. Still, I will take issue with the notion that Doug Axe disproved evolution in any sense. And if you expand on your other comments to explain just what you disagree with and why, I or someone else might respond.
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Not most of them. Just the couple that are on-topic for the old thread.
That would require me to change what Ben wrote, which is bad practice. If Ben want to change it, that’s OK, but I think it is fine as is.
No intent to change what anyone wrote. I just mean that most of the posts you moved that responded to Ben are not on topic. Only his and mine have on-topic bits.
I’m willing to discuss the first part of my sentence, but can we first agree that the second part is true?
I’m sorry but lol. You’re referring to the 2004 paper I take it? I don’t think I need to go back to that particular dead horse but WOW. It’s 2025.
And creationists wonder why real biologists don’t take them seriously.
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ORLY? Why don’t you technically explain to me, biochemist-to-biochemist, how you think he did so.
Be sure to explain why Axe never bothered to measure enzymatic activity. How can any biochemist treat enzymatic activity is a binary variable and not a continuous one?
Then explain to me why Axe, despite all his funding from the DI, hasn’t done a single followup.
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I’m not about to agree that it’s true without knowing what actually happened. Fake persecution narratives are part of the DI’s stock in trade.
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No. You would have to provide reliable evidence that he was “kicked out of his lab.” And by “reliable”, I mean from sources other than Axe himself, or anyone associated with the DI.
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No.
When is this supposed to have occurred? Give us the details. Who kicked him out of “his” lab, when, where, and why? Evidence please.
For the record if all you have is Douglas Axe’s assertions to that effect, don’t bother. He’s a known fraud and liar.
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No.
Unless you’re referring to the closure of the Biologic Institute by IDers, and to Bill and Giltil.
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The claim that Axe “got kicked out of his lab by the exact sort of people who populate this board”, appears to be based upon this quote from Axe himself in a S&CT (formerly ENV) article:
Years later, an article in New Scientist magazine about Biologic Institute (titled “The God Lab”) revealed that one of my fellow scientists at the CPE had been pressing Alan to dismiss me because of my connection to ID. The article says Alan refused to do so, quoting him as saying, “I have always been fairly easy-going about people working in the lab. I said I was not going to throw him out. What he was doing was asking legitimate questions about how a protein folded.” According to the article, I left the CPE after “Axe and Fersht were in dispute with each other over the implications of work going on in Fersht’s lab.”
The truth is that Alan did, in the end, give in to the internal whistle-blower who wanted me removed, though I certainly accept his account of having resisted this for some time. When he did finally act, I interpreted the awkwardness of his action as an indication of his reluctance. There was no heart-to-heart conversation or even a word spoken face-to-face. When everyone gathered in the customary way to bid me farewell, Alan was conspicuously absent. All I received was an e-mail from Alan’s assistant on the eleventh of March 2002, succinctly stating that the CPE was “very short of [lab] bench space” and declaring Alan’s solution: “Please vacate as soon as possible and by the end of March latest.”
Source (Most relevant section highlighted)
The New Scientist article can be found here (paywalled). A non-paywalled archive copy can be found here (but I don’t guarantee how long it will stay up for – if this link is broken, go to archive.ph and type in the original link again). It does not however mention the circumstances of Axe leaving. Therefore there appears to be no independent corroboration on this point.
Whilst it is possible that the circumstances were exactly as Axe suggests, the DI have a long history of exaggerating ‘persecution’ against those associated with the ID movement, for propaganda purposes.
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Reading the New Scientist article I note that Axe’s “connection to ID” was that his work was funded by the DI. Which is a fairly significant point in understanding the issues - and one Axe’s account omits.
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Assuming that @BenKissling is referring to Axe’s infamous 2004 paper, it’s curious that a paper purportedly disproving evolution has only received 109 citations (per ResearchGate) over the past 20+ years. You’d think such a monumental piece of scholarship would have had more of an impact, but looks like it’s mostly flown under the radar except within ID circles.
Odd, that.
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