Did Homo Erectus Die from Laziness?


(Dr. Patrick Trischitta) #1

New archaeological research has found that Homo erectus, an extinct species of primitive humans, went extinct in part because they were ‘lazy’.


(Nonlin.org) #2

How would you know “Homo erectus, an extinct species of primitive humans”? Have you positively establish that connection or just assumed it?


(Dr. Patrick Trischitta) #3

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/homo-erectus-a-bigger-smarter-97879043

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-erectus


(Nonlin.org) #4

Not only are you not answering the question, but one of your sources is asking the exact same question I do. Check it out:
" Below are some of the still unanswered questions about Homo erectus that may be answered with future discoveries :

1. Was Homo erectus the direct ancestor of Homo sapiens , our own species?
…"


(Dr. Patrick Trischitta) #5

How do you determine the direct ancestor of any species? Regarding H.erectus, it may have been along the line of direct ancestor. But even H.erectus is an conglomeration of several species. There are certainly several species of humans between H.erectus (1- 2mya) and H.Sapian (<300kya). It is going to very difficult drawing a line from H.erectus and us.


(Jon Garvey) #6

That was just what their masters in the labour camps said. “Work sets you free.”


(Ashwin S) #7

At what point does fairy telling become a accepted as science?
I hope the report is not accurate…
Perhaps Homo erectus did not go out searching for good material to make tools for the same reason gorillas don’t… not smart enough.


(Nonlin.org) #8

You can’t, and that’s exactly my point.

Not “very difficult” but ‘impossible’. See: Human Evolution debunked

The fossil record lends no support for human evolution for several reasons: it is sketchy at best inviting proponents to make whatever desired of it via artistic license, is static hence one must presume evolution to see evolutionary links (the animation movie), and fossils are not positively linked to one another hence likely part of other animation movies altogether. Along the years, we have seen an inflation of hominid “species” as everyone that found a bone or two claimed they discovered a new species. And even after some cleanup, we’re still left with Neanderthals and Denisovans that successfully mated (fertile off-springs) with Sapiens despite being labeled “separate species”.


(S. Joshua Swamidass) #9

This is mixing too things. That statement doesn’t really distinguish between whether or not we descent directly from Homo erectus. Rather

  1. it is identifying a group as Homo erectus.
  2. Identifying them as “human” too
  3. Identifying them as different than Sapiens
  4. Noting their existence long ago
  5. Noting their non existence now

That is all that is meant by saying they are an extinct primitive human. Of course scientists will usually assert we descent directly from some of them. Though keep in mind that erectus could always be a “cousin” species to our direct ancestor, and the group itself is very disparate.

Of course also special creationists may say they were and independent creations. That still means they are an extinct primitive “human”. Keep in mind that human has no stable definition here.

Also some scientists they are not a distinct species at all, and are really just a chronospecies!


(S. Joshua Swamidass) #10

Totally valid alternative hypothesis. I was thinking the same thing.

However they are not tellinng a fairy tale. They are adding some value laden language, as a hook, to a popular press account of the scientific paper. Don’t make too much of it.


(Ashwin S) #11

I get that… however I think it shows things in a bad light. You can’t dum down science to a level where it actually sounds dum…


(S. Joshua Swamidass) #12

I would agree with that. Usually, ignore the news headline and read the original paper. The nice thing about Science Daily is that they put a link to the original paper. Have you read it yet?


(Ashwin S) #15

I usually do that when I am interested.


(Dr. Patrick Trischitta) #16

But sometimes we get lazy like H.erectus. We’re only human. :rofl:


(Ashwin S) #17

Ya… it’s impossible to read everything… not enough time…:slight_smile:
A large part of growing up is being able to decide what to shelve and what to pursue …


(Jon Garvey) #18

Me, I’m off looking for decent bits of flint for my tools. Only rubbishy chert round here. You won’t find going extinct any time soon.:skull:


(Nonlin.org) #19

Last I checked, ‘humans’ is taxonomically ‘Homo sapiens’.
No one would care about “lazy ape” and even less about “lazy bear”, etc.


(S. Joshua Swamidass) #20

Nope. No settled meaning of “human” in science. Most lean towards saying all in Homo genus are human.


(Ashwin S) #21

That’s not surprising considering the concept is primarily sociological…It’s a collective identity.


(Nonlin.org) #22

Sure, if they cannot positively demonstrate a link, at least they can play with the definition. And while at it, why not call humans ‘animals’, get rid of genders, conflate AI with humans, and define science to be in conflict with religion? Already done you say? Isn’t “Science” wonderful? Quickly someone build a gold statue to “Science” and start worshiping it.