EvoBio, ID, and OEC. Where to go from here?

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@swamidass

Yep. Intelligence is needed to produce a mutation or strings of mutations here, new gene there, etc.

Then your categories don’t include undetectable intelligent design (e.g.: Would God’s Guidance Be DNA-Detectable?). This is far more viable than #2, and appears to be the view of a large number of people.

@T.j_Runyon

I think undetectable intelligient design would probably fall under (1).

I intently disagree. There is a big difference between:

1a. God intervened at times but we can’t prove it with science.

1b. God did not ever intervene.

1a is acceptable to many people in theology (e.g. @jongarvey) but 1b is not. You are collapsing because the look the same to science, they are worlds apart in theology.